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Old 02-25-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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I went to Puerto Rico and there are plenty of white people there, including light-skinned blondes.
Similarly, there are plenty of white Puerto Ricans in NJ and the U.S. in general.

Just as the British colonized the U.S., Spain colonized Puerto Rico. Spain is a European white country.
If Americans of British decent are considered white, then why are Puerto Ricans of Spanish descent not conidered white?

I truly don't understand this.
Because the USA is still a white majority nation. There are caucasian white Puerto Ricans of European descent. However, a census/demographics study will show that the overwhelming majority have mixed native/mulatto/african ancestry. As they represent the majority of Puerto Rico, it is not considered a white nation. Though a Puerto Rican may consider himself "white" relative to mixed race citizens, many fair skinned Puerto Ricans would not be considered White in white majority nations as much as a Phillipino native with some European ancestry wouldn't either. Any citizen of Puerto Rico who can claim full European heritage is most likely a member of the <10%. Classification is difficult as these nations are products of imperialism, where there was alot of intermixing.

There is also another minor detail, Spain is considered South European.. the classification of "White" in the old days was one of Germanic/Nordic or White Anglo Saxon bloodlines..
These days, "White" has generalized a broader European ancestry.

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Old 02-26-2016, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Dover, New Jersey
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Yes, I agree.. but Puerto Rico is multicultural, mixed heritage.. and someone claiming that Puerto Rico is symbolized by white heritage is really incorrect..
200% true
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Old 02-26-2016, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Dover, New Jersey
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History
1514: The Spanish Crown granted permission to Spaniards to marry native Taíno Indians.
The ever arriving Spaniards settlers, many of them gold-seekers, brought no women on their ships. To populate the country, the Spaniard took Indian women.

The Spaniards enslaved the Taínos (the native inhabitants of the island), and many of them died as a result of Spaniards' oppressive colonization efforts. When gold failed to make the Spaniards dreams of great wealth come true, they turned to sugar cane. Sugar cane had been grown in Puerto Rico from the very beginning of Spanish rule. The Spaniards came to depend on sugar cane as a valuable resource. Planting and harvesting sugar cane was hard work. In the beginning the Spaniards depended on the Tainos, but with time there were not enough Tainos left to work for the Spaniards. Many Tainos had rebelled, others had fled, and others became ill and died. With the growing demand for slaves to help in planting and harvesting sugar, even more slaves were needed. By 1530 there were more Africans in Puerto Rico as slaves than all other people together.
It took less than a century for the Taino population to be depleted from Puerto Rico.

1517: King Carlos V authorized the importation of 4,000 slaves to the Caribbean.

With the arrival of African slaves, other elements were added.
As a result, the majority of the African peoples who entered Puerto Rico did so as a result of the forced migration of the Atlantic slave trade, coming from many different societies of the African continent.

1570: When the gold mines in Puerto Rico were declared depleted, the Spanish Crown no longer held Puerto Rico as a high colonial priority. It was used as a garrison to support naval vessels. Africans from British and French possessions in the Caribbean were encouraged to emigrate to Puerto Rico, thereby providing a population base to support the Puerto Rican garrison. The Spanish decree of 1789 allowed the slaves to earn or buy their freedom, however this did little to help their situation. The expansion of sugar cane plantations drove up demand for slaves and their population increased dramatically.
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THE TAINO RACE OF AMERICAN INDIAN PEOPLE IS FAR FROM EXTINCT.

Dr. Juan Martinez Cruzado, a geneticist from the University of Puerto Rico Mayaguez designed an island-wide DNA survey, The study funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation, shows that 61 percent of all Puerto Ricans have Amerindian mitochondrial DNA, 27 percent have African and 12 percent Caucasian. (Nuclear DNA, or the genetic material present in a gene's nucleus, is inherited in equal parts from one's father and mother. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited only from one's mother and does not change or blend with other materials over time.)
Source: http://elyunque.com/Taino.htm

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Old 02-26-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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Because the USA is still a white majority nation. There are caucasian white Puerto Ricans of European descent. However, a census/demographics study will show that the overwhelming majority have mixed native/mulatto/african ancestry. As they represent the majority of Puerto Rico, it is not considered a white nation. Though a Puerto Rican may consider himself "white" relative to mixed race citizens, many fair skinned Puerto Ricans would not be considered White in white majority nations as much as a Phillipino native with some European ancestry wouldn't either. Any citizen of Puerto Rico who can claim full European heritage is most likely a member of the <10%. Classification is difficult as these nations are products of imperialism, where there was alot of intermixing.

There is also another minor detail, Spain is considered South European.. the classification of "White" in the old days was one of Germanic/Nordic or White Anglo Saxon bloodlines..
These days, "White" has generalized a broader European ancestry.
South Europeans are considered white these days.

Puerto Rico may also be considered a white majority nation, just like the USA.

My family is also not Northern European, but we are from Europe and are considered white. Most Puerto Ricans I meet here in the U.S. look just as white as most of the people in my family, some more so.
If we are white, so are they!
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Old 02-26-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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South Europeans are considered white these days.

Puerto Rico may also be considered a white majority nation, just like the USA.

My family is also not Northern European, but we are from Europe and are considered white. Most Puerto Ricans I meet here in the U.S. look just as white as most of the people in my family, some more so.
If we are white, so are they!

These are examples of light skinned puerto ricans:

http://i.imgur.com/WKe5x.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d8c786c9e0.jpg
http://www.186dollarstofreedom.com/i...cdelorenzo.jpg

They may consider themselves fair skinned and white relative to other Puerto Ricans, but they would be considered "ethnic" by other white standards in the US.

This is similar to the Arab community in NJ.. I know quite a few lighter skinned people of Middle Eastern and North African heritage who identify themselves as white, but many would not consider them white.

"White" still denotes an Anglo Saxon/Nordic/Germanic stock.. the word "white" has been generalized past several decades within the political correctness movement to generalize more and more and dilution of identity.

Both of these people would consider themselves white, but they are obviously not of the same heritage.
http://www1.pictures.gi.stylebistro....j4r8YxVUll.jpg
http://cp91279.biography.com/1000509...Charles-SF.jpg

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Old 02-26-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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They are considered Latinos
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Old 02-26-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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I went to Puerto Rico and there are plenty of white people there, including light-skinned blondes.
Similarly, there are plenty of white Puerto Ricans in NJ and the U.S. in general.

Just as the British colonized the U.S., Spain colonized Puerto Rico. Spain is a European white country.
If Americans of British decent are considered white, then why are Puerto Ricans of Spanish descent not conidered white?

I truly don't understand this.
the Spaniards were colonized by the Arabs too, hence not pure white stock race
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Old 02-26-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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the Spaniards were colonized by the Arabs too, hence not pure white stock race
also sephardi jewish stock and european spaniards have a substantial north african ancestry
in fact the entire iberian peninsula, including portugal and parts of south italy share genetic history with arabs and north africans.
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Old 02-26-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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South Europeans are considered white these days.

Puerto Rico may also be considered a white majority nation, just like the USA.

My family is also not Northern European, but we are from Europe and are considered white. Most Puerto Ricans I meet here in the U.S. look just as white as most of the people in my family, some more so.
If we are white, so are they!
Of the Puerto Rican population both in PR and the states, not how they self identify, what there actual race is, i would say 30% of them white ( from Spain, and to a lesser extant France), 10% of them are black (from West/Central Africa), and like 2% indio (mostly descend from Taino indians). The other 58% are mixed race people (mostly mulattos and tri-racials). The majority of Puerto Ricans are NOT white, they are mixed, get over it. Idk which Puerto Ricans you see, and how tf you think PRs are white when most are obviously mixed. Jeez where do you get this sh*t from??
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Old 02-26-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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Of the Puerto Rican population both in PR and the states, not how they self identify, what there actual race is, i would say 30% of them white ( from Spain, and to a lesser extant France), 10% of them are black (from West/Central Africa), and like 2% indio (mostly descend from Taino indians). The other 58% are mixed race people (mostly mulattos and tri-racials). The majority of Puerto Ricans are NOT white, they are mixed, get over it. Idk which Puerto Ricans you see, and how tf you think PRs are white when most are obviously mixed. Jeez where do you get this sh*t from??
it's liberal ideology..
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