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Old 02-19-2011, 02:58 PM
 
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this is problem that is only going to get worse. the salaries and benefits are too good but the real back breaker of the regular taxpayer is the retirement benefits. those need to be eliminated.
agreed, love how the unions toss around salaries, without taking into account tens of thousands per family health plan benefits, and pensions..

yes, because the taxes that pay for such benefits and pensions arise from thin air...

forget the invisible single mother working 2 jobs just to keep up with rising property taxes over her children's heads.. how dare her unpatriotic tone to question where HER taxes go to..
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Of course it needs to be addressed everywhere. I still don't care about teacher pay in Wisconsin.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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its funny how they always throw out how they could be making so much more in the private sector. while there are more opportunities in the private sector for extreme wealth, the average pay and benefits for public sector employees is more than double the average private sector. they complain about paying for healthcare and pension benefits, i have no pension benefits and i have no retirement health care benefits coming to me and i have an mba.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:01 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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this is an issue that is going to be addressed everywhere. i just read an article in the community reporter and it said in asbury park public school students cost about $24k per year average. the overall average in nj is around $14k per year per student. these costs will grow like nobody believes as time goes on due to retirement costs.
i'd like to see a real breakdown on the costs. i'm sure it's bloated, and i know the retirement and other benies are an issue, but in PA the avg cost per student is like $8k. you can't possibly tell me that $6k more in NJ is pensions and benefits. the benefits seem to be basically the same everywhere.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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i'd like to see a real breakdown on the costs. i'm sure it's bloated, and i know the retirement and other benies are an issue, but in PA the avg cost per student is like $8k. you can't possibly tell me that $6k more in NJ is pensions and benefits. the benefits seem to be basically the same everywhere.
it would be nice to have more transparency for us taxpayers to see exactly where our money is going.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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its funny how they always throw out how they could be making so much more in the private sector. while there are more opportunities in the private sector for extreme wealth, the average pay and benefits for public sector employees is more than double the average private sector. they complain about paying for healthcare and pension benefits, i have no pension benefits and i have no retirement health care benefits coming to me and i have an mba.
Most of them wouldn't last a day in the private sector. These people go straight from HS, to college, to a school system. They live in la-la land.

I actually think many of them suffer from arrested development.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: NJ
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it would be nice to have more transparency for us taxpayers to see exactly where our money is going.
Can you imagine if we knew where all the money going to the Abbott districts went to? I think our collective heads would explode.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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there are web sites like datauniverse that gives us some information about salaries of public employees but there is a lot more to the story that it leaves out.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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it would be nice to have more transparency for us taxpayers to see exactly where our money is going.
the data has to be out there. it's all public record right?
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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its funny how they always throw out how they could be making so much more in the private sector. while there are more opportunities in the private sector for extreme wealth, the average pay and benefits for public sector employees is more than double the average private sector. they complain about paying for healthcare and pension benefits, i have no pension benefits and i have no retirement health care benefits coming to me and i have an mba.
the average education level in public sector is more advanced than the average education level in private sector. so every time someone points out that the average pay and benefits for public sector employees is more than double the average private sector, they conveniently leave out the fact that the 1.3 million people who work at wal--mart, mostly with no high school education and making $9/hr, are private sector employees counted in the "average pay and benefits".

factually misleading argument.
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