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Old 02-19-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Am I missing something? The average Wisconsin teachers makes 52k plus great benefits. The average NJ teacher makes 57k plus great benefits. The average cost of living in Wisconsin is much much lower. Just by looking at a few homes in the Madison and Green Bay area tells me cost of homes are just about half of that in NJ. Not to mention it seems as if Wisconsin teachers have not payed into their pension until possibly this year. Can someone who bashes teacher pay tell me how NJ teachers are getting over on taxpayers? Relative to Wisconsin, NJ teachers are getting shafted. I know times are tough but it seems as if we actually get a good deal in regards to teaching. Can someone please help me out on this one. I am a bit confused on the numbers.

Just looked up some info on a site that rates cost of living in regards to teachers salary and compensation. NJ ranks 36 in the nation, Wisconsin ranks 28 so I guess I was right. I guess NJ teachers arent getting rich. Not to mention how can it be that teachers in Wisconsin are making 52k per year yet property taxes are nearly nothing compared to NJ? Who is pulling the wool over all of our eyes? Or should I say where's the money?

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Old 02-19-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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NJ teachers do just fine. No one begrudges teachers salaries for high performers. However, the teachers union is incapable of determining who the high performers are. Life time jobs with summers off and sweet heart deals on healthcare and pensions compared to the private sector, for all good teachers and horrible teachers, in no way evokes any earned sympathy for Nj teachers in general.

Sympathy for excellent NJ teachers being held hostage by their union as it affects the future of our children, state and country is another matter.

The myth that an infinite increasing linear relationship exists between money and better education is perpetrated by the NJ EDU juggernaught and found to be invalid by decades of wasted taxpayer money.

Entitlements are the legacy of old European society and the NJEA, both antiquated and reserved for dusty museum shelves.

NJ tax burden 10.8%,
WI is @ 11.6%

"Current New Jersey Teachers and Administrators
In June 2010, the New Jersey Department of Education awarded $45.3 million in School Improvement Grants to help improve low-performing urban schools. It's clear that New Jersey values education. However, it also values its teachers. Secondary school teachers, for instance, earn an average of $65,420 per year, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). But programs such as the Highly Qualified Teacher Initiative and the Teacher Mentor program can help teachers earn more with additional professional development."

East Brunswick high school teachers at 68.8K
http://www.cbsalary.com/salary_chart.aspx?specialty=High+School+Teacher&ct y=East%2520Brunswick&kw=High+School+Teacher&jn=jn0 31&tid=22928&sid=NJ

Art teacher in Newark high school is 54K.

High school salaries in NJ cities

City and AreaMedian SalaryEmployeesJob DensityAtlantic City$60,0001,270+25%Camden$62,0005,330+40%Edison$6 2,0009,730+30%Newark$65,0008,910+22%Ocean City$59,000520+104%Trenton$63,0001,590+6%

Wisconsin
City and AreaMedian SalaryEmployeesJob DensityAppleton$51,0001,230+60%Eau Claire$48,000810+62%Green Bay$52,000990-14%Janesville$48,000530+27%La Crosse$46,000840+89%Madison$49,0001,750-26%Milwaukee$55,0003,700-40%Oshkosh$49,000620+12%Racine$49,000980+95%Sheboy gan$48,000460+27%
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:51 AM
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Am I missing something? The average Wisconsin teachers makes 52k plus great benefits. The average NJ teacher makes 57k plus great benefits. The average cost of living in Wisconsin is much much lower. Just by looking at a few homes in the Madison and Green Bay area tells me cost of homes are just about half of that in NJ. Not to mention it seems as if Wisconsin teachers have not payed into their pension until possibly this year. Can someone who bashes teacher pay tell me how NJ teachers are getting over on taxpayers? Relative to Wisconsin, NJ teachers are getting shafted. I know times are tough but it seems as if we actually get a good deal in regards to teaching. Can someone please help me out on this one. I am a bit confused on the numbers.

Just looked up some info on a site that rates cost of living in regards to teachers salary and compensation. NJ ranks 36 in the nation, Wisconsin ranks 28 so I guess I was right. I guess NJ teachers arent getting rich. Not to mention how can it be that teachers in Wisconsin are making 52k per year yet property taxes are nearly nothing compared to NJ? Who is pulling the wool over all of our eyes? Or should I say where's the money?
1) Can we have a link to the site?
2) Wall Street, mainly. An interesting article here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...reet-jail.html
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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NJ teachers do just fine. No one begrudges teachers salaries for high performers. However, the teachers union is incapable of determining who the high performers are. Life time jobs with summers off and sweet heart deals on healthcare and pensions compared to the private sector, for all good teachers and horrible teachers, in no way evokes any earned sympathy for Nj teachers in general.

Sympathy for excellent NJ teachers being held hostage by their union as it affects the future of our children, state and country is another matter.

The myth that an infinite increasing linear relationship exists between money and better education is perpetrated by the NJ EDU juggernaught and found to be invalid by decades of wasted taxpayer money.

Entitlements are the legacy of old European society and the NJEA, both antiquated and reserved for dusty museum shelves.

NJ tax burden 10.8%,
WI is @ 11.6%

"Current New Jersey Teachers and Administrators
In June 2010, the New Jersey Department of Education awarded $45.3 million in School Improvement Grants to help improve low-performing urban schools. It's clear that New Jersey values education. However, it also values its teachers. Secondary school teachers, for instance, earn an average of $65,420 per year, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). But programs such as the Highly Qualified Teacher Initiative and the Teacher Mentor program can help teachers earn more with additional professional development."

East Brunswick high school teachers at 68.8K
http://www.cbsalary.com/salary_chart.aspx?specialty=High+School+Teacher&ct y=East%2520Brunswick&kw=High+School+Teacher&jn=jn0 31&tid=22928&sid=NJ

Art teacher in Newark high school is 54K.

High school salaries in NJ cities

City and AreaMedian SalaryEmployeesJob DensityAtlantic City$60,0001,270+25%Camden$62,0005,330+40%Edison$6 2,0009,730+30%Newark$65,0008,910+22%Ocean City$59,000520+104%Trenton$63,0001,590+6%

Wisconsin
City and AreaMedian SalaryEmployeesJob DensityAppleton$51,0001,230+60%Eau Claire$48,000810+62%Green Bay$52,000990-14%Janesville$48,000530+27%La Crosse$46,000840+89%Madison$49,0001,750-26%Milwaukee$55,0003,700-40%Oshkosh$49,000620+12%Racine$49,000980+95%Sheboy gan$48,000460+27%


Siir or Madame with all due respect you are getting off topic. NJ teacher have tenure as do Wisconsin teachers. While we can agree to disagree on many things what strikes me odd is that we here in NJ bash teachers because they are "raping" the system. Again look at the numbers between the two states and the fact remains NJ teachers are getting hosed relatively speaking. You can purchase a great great house in Wisconsin for 200k, please let me know where that same house can be had in NJ? Not sure what your ramblings of the Art teacher who makes 54k in Newark are about? Whats wrong with that? Just because its not math or english doesnt mean its not a valuable subject. Your 64k is secondary teachers I am talking about teachers as a whole and not just picking the numbers that skew the numbers upward like you.
I do agree that horrible teachers should be removed but lets not act as if teachers are the end all be all. Teachers in Neward may be viewed as horrible but how many of them teach as well as possible only to be crushed my system and societal problems that they just cant control?

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Old 02-19-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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1) Can we have a link to the site?
2) Wall Street, mainly. An interesting article here: //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...reet-jail.html

http://teacherportal.com/salary/Wisc...teacher-salary
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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To be fair Teachers salaries are all over the board normally off by 3 or 4k. Cnn reported 52k for Wisconsin and other have it at 48k. The thing is I thought with such a low cost of living teachers would average in the low 40's.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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What injustice. NJ teachers should definitely go on strike and shut down the whole state. It's only right.
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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What injustice. NJ teachers should definitely go on strike and shut down the whole state. It's only right.
I dont think anyone is saying that just pointing out something that some people right really not know. I sure didnt know that. How many times have you heard people say property taxes for education are killing us? Somehow Wisconsin offers teachers a much much better deal with low property taxes. I for one after reading this board didnt think that was possible.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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I dont think anyone is saying that just pointing out something that some people right really not know. I sure didnt know that. How many times have you heard people say property taxes for education are killing us? Somehow Wisconsin offers teachers a much much better deal with low property taxes. I for one after reading this board didnt think that was possible.
There are so many factors here, I don't think you can just take these two data points (average teacher salary and average house cost) and make these conclusions.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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What injustice. NJ teachers should definitely go on strike and shut down the whole state. It's only right.
It's in the works as we speak. Obama said he supports the protesters and Christie has thrown his support against the unions. Stay tuned. The repubs are trying to tear down all the unions thruout the country and Obama supports the rights of unions.

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