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Old 03-05-2011, 05:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As I understand it, if a town wants to increase taxes above the 2% cap, they need to go to the residents for a vote, which is good.

However, what about if the choice is increase property taxes, or services go away like garbage collection?

But the real issue here is if residents say no, our property taxes will hold steady at the 2% cap, but with the elimination of township garbage collection, residents will be forced to contract on their own to a private contractor for services. Additionally, they will most likely not see their tax bill lowered for the service the township will no longer provides.

So, while the town may hold the line on taxes at the 2% cap, residents will now be forced to pay out of pocket for the service. In essence this is a loop hole, as the township really did not hold to the 2% cap, as the taxes that once supported garbage collection are used for everything else; where is the incentive for a town to hold the line on expenses, and unless they can hold the line on salaries and benefits, there's really no way to hold to the 2% cap.

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Old 03-05-2011, 05:52 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Whats wrong will private Trash service ?
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Old 03-05-2011, 06:25 AM
 
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As I understand it, if a town wants to increase taxes above the 2% cap, they need to go to the residents for a vote, which is good.

However, what about if the choice is increase property taxes, or services go away like garbage collection?

But the real issue here is if residents say no, our property taxes will hold steady at the 2% cap, but with the elimination of township garbage collection, residents will be forced to contract on their own to a private contractor for services. Additionally, they will most likely not see their tax bill lowered for the service the township will no longer provides.

So, while the town may hold the line on taxes at the 2% cap, residents will now be forced to pay out of pocket for the service. In essence this is a loop hole, as the township really did not hold to the 2% cap, as the taxes that once supported garbage collection are used for everything else; where is the incentive for a town to hold the line on expenses, and unless they can hold the line on salaries and benefits, there's really no way to hold to the 2% cap.

Pretty much yes. My friend is a council man in a local town and they had to jump through hoops to get below the 2%. What they did was bring down garbage collection to one day a week. The problem is what will they do next year? I guess get rid of it all together. Then the next year they will maybe do some sort of fire dept insurance like they have done in the midwest. A small fee for the fire dept to cover you house in case of a fire. So after everything is said and done your cost will go up no matter what. A Fee or a tax its all the same thing. You say potato I say....
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Old 03-05-2011, 06:38 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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But it's good if things get privatized the competition will bring costs down. I will be able to choose the lowest priced garbage collector for my own pick-up. Eventually, over time, all other modes of cutting will be exhausted and they will be forced to apply the 2% cap to the remaining public sector workers because there will be no more services that they can privatize. This isn't a solution that will work over night.
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Old 03-05-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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Whats wrong will private Trash service ?
End up costing you more since property taxes are deductable, and private garbage collection is not. In the towns where it is private, the entire town is just run by one family, and there is no choice competition. Each cousin just handles different parts of the town.
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Old 03-05-2011, 07:22 AM
 
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But it's good if things get privatized the competition will bring costs down. I will be able to choose the lowest priced garbage collector for my own pick-up. Eventually, over time, all other modes of cutting will be exhausted and they will be forced to apply the 2% cap to the remaining public sector workers because there will be no more services that they can privatize. This isn't a solution that will work over night.
Ohh great that way we can bring down property values and everything else in NJ. Without all those greedy public workers who will buy those mansions around NJ. Thank god we bailed out the Bankers so they could remain in luxury with their bonuses.
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Old 03-05-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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End up costing you more since property taxes are deductable, and private garbage collection is not. In the towns where it is private, the entire town is just run by one family, and there is no choice competition. Each cousin just handles different parts of the town.
Come on dont you know the free market works soo well in this country. Come on havent you seen how cheap it is to go to the DR. of late? Free market at its best.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: NJ
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But it's good if things get privatized the competition will bring costs down. I will be able to choose the lowest priced garbage collector for my own pick-up.
How do you know privatized garbage collection would be cheaper? For it to be worthwhile to the collection company, and affordable to you, most people in the same town would have to choose the same collection company. Big Joe is not going to send his truck to Montclair to pick up 5 houses, then go to Verona for 2 houses, etc. etc. It just wouldn't be economical. I think the only way it is economical for the consumer is for the town to contract with 1 private company (that's what my town of West Orange does now).

What they really need to do to save money is reduce pickup to once per week rather than twice per week like they do now. Or, depending on cost savings and location, I would gladly drive my garbage to the landfill myself.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I guess they could have no cap. Can't see how that would possibly be a better alternative.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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End up costing you more since property taxes are deductable, and private garbage collection is not. In the towns where it is private, the entire town is just run by one family, and there is no choice competition. Each cousin just handles different parts of the town.
Property taxes aren't deductible anymore.
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