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so increase the gas tax? the problem is with more fuel efficient cars, less gas is used and less revenue generated. so as you improve fuel efficiency and increase the # of electric cars on the road, you are basically beating down on the owners of less fuel efficient cars. probably disproportiately hit poorer drivers.
yeah ppl who shouldnt be driving in the first place. Go fuel efficient or get off the road buddy thats the way I see it.
yeah ppl who shouldnt be driving in the first place. Go fuel efficient or get off the road buddy thats the way I see it.
i see no benefit to being fuel efficient other than saving the user money. so if someone wants a gas guzzler, there is no reason for anyone to have a problem with that.
it seems like the people who have decided oil is the enemy will probably decide to force people into other more fuel efficient cars/choices by pricing them out of oil options.
Thats the idea duh!!!! we dont want bad economy cars anymore price em out. Go efficient
i see no benefit to being fuel efficient other than saving the user money. so if someone wants a gas guzzler, there is no reason for anyone to have a problem with that.
also another benefit includes less wear on the roads and toxic crap seriously gas guzzlers are OBSOLETE KILL EM NOW!!!! IF TAXATION KILLS EM THEN DO IT!!!!!!!!!! DEATH TO GAS GUZZLERS!!!!!!!!!!
1) You forgot to divide your $750 figure by four, as that's how many tires most cars use at once. You would need to recoup about $750 to match gas tax on 50k miles ... But you're using 4 tires. Including that in the estimate gives $187.50 in tax per tire, making a set of four cost about $1,230. Not too bad, IMO if:
2) You also consider that we would no longer be paying taxes on gasoline.
You are right, I messed the math up. It would be $750 for all four tires. Still a decent lump sum, but not nearly as crazy as I stated, lol. Thanks, for pointing out the error.
As for point 2, there is a similar thread I started on automotive about this as I thought this issue was something that also had a direct impact on NJ since the gas tax has been coming up more and more lately. While the overall cost is manageable, many people would find the lump sum payment to be more of a burden than the pay as you go method with gas taxes.
if i lived in europe, i'd be able to get the utility i want along with the gas mileage i want. yet here, in the U.S.A., companies don't even offer us those products. we'll see over time, because companies have finally started to wake up. but for the past couple decades, we consumers have had crappy options.
I guess the issue I would take with that statement is the bolded section. You need to change that to "me as a consumer", the vast majority of Americans don't want the same things from their car as you do. The manufacturers build what people want to buy.
also another benefit includes less wear on the roads and toxic crap seriously gas guzzlers are OBSOLETE KILL EM NOW!!!! IF TAXATION KILLS EM THEN DO IT!!!!!!!!!! DEATH TO GAS GUZZLERS!!!!!!!!!!
id prefer to get rid of buses and trains. they are a waste.
Nothing we say here "accomplishes" anything. Someone saying we should raise the gas tax. Or tax tires more. Should those people also contact their representative and tell them that?
i believe the gas tax should be raised, and yes, i have contacted my representative. i personally would like to not have to swerve around potholes as often as i do, but generally speaking, i think the roads aren't all as bad as people dramatize, but they can certainly be improved.
taxing tires more i don't think would work. if anything, it would cause a lot of people to drive on dangerous low-treaded tires. i think that would be a bad side-effect and would lead to more accidents.
also another benefit includes less wear on the roads and toxic crap seriously gas guzzlers are OBSOLETE KILL EM NOW!!!! IF TAXATION KILLS EM THEN DO IT!!!!!!!!!! DEATH TO GAS GUZZLERS!!!!!!!!!!
SERIOUSLY, IT'S LIKE WHATEVER MAN, YOU SHOULD ALL RIDE BUSES AND TRAINS....oh wait, that isn't an option for the vast majority who rely upon their cars to get to work and everything else they do.
It may seem all dandy and wonderful to tax fuel and create mandates to drive fuel efficiency, but that ignores the fact that the working class and poor who are just as reliant on their cars will not be able to afford to continually purchase more and more efficient vehicles to offset the increased taxes and cost of fuel. Today's 25 MPG average car is going to be the affordable used car 8-10 years from now.
This also really isn't about gas guzzlers per se. This is really nothing more than an illustration of the governments complete lack of a real energy policy. We're going to mandate that we all drive efficient cars and we're going to go out and give people tax incentives to buy them. Just to turn around and punish those same people for doing so by levying increased taxes on them to make up for lost revenue.
I guess the issue I would take with that statement is the bolded section. You need to change that to "me as a consumer", the vast majority of Americans don't want the same things from their car as you do. The manufacturers build what people want to buy.
i just don't agree with this. i think they build what they generally believe people want, and in some cases they hit the mark, but they also ignore what many people would buy if the option was presented to them. SUVs didn't exist really at all before the 90s. there were some true Sport-Utility-Vehicles, and people who truly needed them bought them. then they started removing the utility (lose the skid plate, lose the good suspension, lose the proper center of gravity, etc) to start selling them cheaply and more profitibaly...and then advertised the heck out of them. essentially, they created the market. they also made small cars to be complete junk. making people dislike them for quality, fit and finish, and size.
i think if consumers were presented with a suburban that gets 10mpg and runs on unleaded fuel, or a suburban that gets 20mpg and runs on diesel, a majority of consumers would choose the suburban that gets 20mpg.
maybe this qualifies as conspiracy theory, but in my view, the oil industry is squashing the idea of fuel efficient vehicles in every chance they get, and the u.s. auto industry has played along all the way.
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You are right, I messed the math up. It would be $750 for all four tires. Still a decent lump sum, but not nearly as crazy as I stated, lol. Thanks, for pointing out the error.
