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Old 05-17-2011, 07:21 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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N.J. should fix existing roads, bridges rather than build new ones: advocacy group | NJ.com

what do you guys think?
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:27 AM
 
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The highway/bridge infrastructure in the US is deteriorating at an appalling rate, and some surveys of road conditions have placed NJ highways in the position of being in the worst shape of any state. In view of the high traffic density on our roads, this is not surprising.

Yes, I agree that we need to repair existing roads and bridges before we build new ones. The increasing frequency of damage to the front-end components of cars in NJ is silent testimony to the need to repair existing roadways.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:27 AM
 
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Yes, that sounds smart.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: NJ & NV
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There aren't many new roadways being built anyway. Most everything is improvement or widening. We already gave up building I-95, I-278 and other roads through NJ decades ago.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:23 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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There aren't many new roadways being built anyway. Most everything is improvement or widening. We already gave up building I-95, I-278 and other roads through NJ decades ago.
widening is the same as building new. the point is....fix the infrastructure we currently have. if we can't afford to maintain the current infrastructure properly, adding more miles of lanes to maintain is just making the issue worse.
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: NJ
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you can still drive on deteriorating roads so by building new roads you add capacity but fixing deterioriating roads does nothing to add capacity.

just did a search on this group, they are quite agenda driven. if they are suggesting fixing old roads before building new roads, my guess is it is because they know that it will hurt car travel by making roads more congested.

"The Tri-State Transportation Campaign is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to reducing car dependency in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut."

its kind of funny to see how they are trying to work. try to say something that sounds very common sense and logical, but in reality it is a deceptive way to try to destroy what they are pretending to be trying to help.

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Old 05-17-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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you can still drive on deteriorating roads so by building new roads you add capacity but fixing deterioriating roads does nothing to add capacity.

just did a search on this group, they are quite agenda driven. if they are suggesting fixing old roads before building new roads, my guess is it is because they know that it will hurt car travel by making roads more congested.

"The Tri-State Transportation Campaign is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to reducing car dependency in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut."

its kind of funny to see how they are trying to work. try to say something that sounds very common sense and logical, but in reality it is a deceptive way to try to destroy what they are pretending to be trying to help.
"Reducing car dependency" Hmmm
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Old 05-17-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: NJ
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"Reducing car dependency" Hmmm
its a blatant trick. its comical what this group is trying to do with this "study."

people dont realize what lengths people go to for their crazy issues and the crazies are the one in power. a woman at work has a relative that is an engineer and worked on some kind of road plan in nyc. he said they intentionally created the roads in a manner to increase traffic to push people to public transportation.
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Old 05-17-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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widening is the same as building new. the point is....fix the infrastructure we currently have. if we can't afford to maintain the current infrastructure properly, adding more miles of lanes to maintain is just making the issue worse.
I guess my counter to that point would be if they are widening roads on sections that already need maintenance and do both at the same time, what's the harm? I imagine repairing and rebuilding a road bed and/or bridge is already a major undertaking. If you can simultaneously expand the road at the same time it seems like a win-win.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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its a blatant trick. its comical what this group is trying to do with this "study."

people dont realize what lengths people go to for their crazy issues and the crazies are the one in power. a woman at work has a relative that is an engineer and worked on some kind of road plan in nyc. he said they intentionally created the roads in a manner to increase traffic to push people to public transportation.
Haha , actually Transit ridership regradless of Gas prices has been climbing over the past decade..... I don't think it has anything to with road design , that sounds silly. Stress , Parking Prices in Urban Jersey / NYC have alot too do with it...
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