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Old 06-04-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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It's a difficult problem that NO crime-filled city govt. has been able to solve in the last 50 years. Ultimately it comes down to the breakdown of the family structure because we ALL spend TONS of cash on these school districts with middling results. White guilt lets us throw cash at the problem and hope it stays confined to the NJ ghettos. It's sad but it's been that way for many decades.

If school busing was introduced there'd be riots in the burbs
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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Education is there for the taking...if you WANT it. The Jewish, Irish, Italian, German, etc. immigrants that populated the Lower East Side 100+ years ago didn't have to be told twice what their way out of the ghetto was. They knew as little ones.

When getting good grades is called "acting white", you know we have a looooong way to go toward convincing some ppl that education is the path to the middle class
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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I think overall the New Jersey State Mentality about high crime cities like Newark and Camden is "ignore it and as long as the high crime rate doesn't come into my specific town I could care less about those cities".
as it should be.
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Old 06-04-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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as it should be.
On a "what can I do in the burbs?" sense you're right. But it is abhorrent when a cop gets shot dead going for a pizza or college students get executed in a school courtyard. As some have mentioned maybe law enforcement (what's left of it anyway) has to treat these gangs as domestic terrorists and act accordingly.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:54 PM
 
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you seem to have an unhealthy obsession about Newark and seem to want to see it fail. why is that?
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:03 PM
 
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you seem to have an unhealthy obsession about Newark and seem to want to see it fail. why is that?
There is no Newark. There are individual people who live in Newark. Each one of them has individual problems to solve, like everyone else everyplace else.

Enough with collectives and races and religions and demographic groups. To hell with every group. Everyone needs to wake up and look at their problems and realize that they truly originate from inside their individual skulls. And only from within that container can solutions percolate to change unsatisfactory individual situations.

That is what needs to be taught in schools from the age of 4. Not professional victimhood.
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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A step in the right direction would be opening more mentor centers where kids can go after school. Pay the mentors instead of making it volunteer work, this could help open up many more jobs. The one common thread between parents who have kids they do not care about and parents who work 3 jobs trying to get a better living for their kids, is that neither spend or are able to spend a lot of time with their kids. What time they do spend with them matters.

For the family who does not care about their kids and teaches them that what they are learning in school is not important/ does not encourage them to learn, having an after school place the kids can go and be with others their age (not gangs or on the streets) would be important.

For the family where the parents are working 3 jobs to try to get out into a better situation the kid would be able to be with their friends. Instead of possibly being the first dropped off/last picked up (which could lead to bullying/ easy target for gangs), they would be able to be with friends. They would not get the ideas in their head that something is wrong with them or their parents do not care about them. This would also put less pressure on the parents trying to run everywhere and overexert themselves. This could lead to them having more energy for good quality time with the children.

The main thing is giving the kids activities to be involved with after school, with a constant influence they can turn to for support. Only by keeping kids off the streets can the cycle be broken.

You cannot force education on the ignorant (some parents), but there is hope for their children.

I like what Steve's Club is doing down in Camden and a few other cities across the country. Steve's Club - Crossfit Youth Fitness
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: NJ
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There is no Newark. There are individual people who live in Newark. Each one of them has individual problems to solve, like everyone else everyplace else.

Enough with collectives and races and religions and demographic groups. To hell with every group. Everyone needs to wake up and look at their problems and realize that they truly originate from inside their individual skulls. And only from within that container can solutions percolate to change unsatisfactory individual situations.

That is what needs to be taught in schools from the age of 4. Not professional victimhood.
what on earth does this rant have to do with my question to...not you?
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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Default The main thing is giving the kids activities to be involved with after school

I grew up in the streets of Jersey City in a tenaement building along with the rest of my family. Mom and dad worked. One small bedroom had 3 boys stacked in it. We didn't need afterschool mentors. We fished a spalding ball out of a sewer or played in the streets. We are all successful and advanced in our lifes. It's up to the individual mostly and the parents secondary. If they want to learn they sure send enough money into the cities via the Abbott districts. Money thrown into the cities doesn't solve problems. If the jerks want to be gang bangers and professional carjackers that's why we make prisons. No one has the answers but the person themselves. They blame the schools, police,society and others for their downfall. Join the army at 18 if you want a job. Kids do from the suburbs.
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Old 06-06-2011, 04:17 AM
 
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you seem to have an unhealthy obsession about Newark and seem to want to see it fail. why is that?
ERR didn't Newark already FAIL HARD!!!???
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