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Old 08-03-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Whatever school you choose to send your kid to you will only get what you put in. You can send your kid to any school in NJ and if you and your kid work hard they will achieve pretty much anything they set out to. The sad part is most parents in the "lower" areas just dont understand or care about this so they stay and fester at the bottom. I have seen kids from the worst of worst areas go to Ivy League schools even when they attend the public schools, so it can be done. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink.

Regarding buying a home in these areas (colonia). I see home as not only a place to live but a place to put your money. At this present time place like Colonia have taken a hit because they continue to attract people that a lot of homebuyers deem to be undesirable. I think this will continue and you will just see town like the Colonias of the world get worse therefore hurting your homes values. This is just my opinion but I would not sick any money in a town that continues to take a hit.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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... while politics undoubtedly plays a role in hiring and promotion to at least some extent in all districts, in Woodbridge it played a major role ...

Yep ..... and as bad as that sounds, just wait until Governor Christie eliminates teacher tenure.

The tea-party types think that eliminating tenure will make it easier to get rid of bad teachers. What they don't understand is that it will make it easier to get rid of GOOD teachers, and replace them with someone's niece or nephew who just graduated and has no experience.

In places like Woodbridge, I can see a round of hiring and firing after every election, thus guaranteeing that your kids will always have a second-rate teacher.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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Well stated, NJexpat!

The concept of elimination of teacher tenure sounds good to many people until they actually begin to analyze it.
The expression, "Be careful what you wish for", is appropriate here.

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Old 08-03-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Yep ..... and as bad as that sounds, just wait until Governor Christie eliminates teacher tenure.

The tea-party types think that eliminating tenure will make it easier to get rid of bad teachers. What they don't understand is that it will make it easier to get rid of GOOD teachers, and replace them with someone's niece or nephew who just graduated and has no experience.

In places like Woodbridge, I can see a round of hiring and firing after every election, thus guaranteeing that your kids will always have a second-rate teacher.
wow - you know what? i never thought of it like that, it unfortunately makes a lot of sense and I could definintely see that happen. hell, it happens all the time in Corporate America!!!
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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There are many factors responsible for the reason US schools are not excelling today, the least of which is tenure.

Top 6 Factors Why American Schools Suck

6. Teachers - Have no real power over anything, yet get most of the blame.
5. Tenure - Protects some incompetence, but overall teachers are very dedicated.
4. School Administrators - Does what is right for the administration, not the kids. Handcuffed by litigious society.
3. Politics - NCLB terrible. Privatization terrible.
2. Parents - It all starts here, good parents = good students, and vice-versa.
1. Poverty - If people don't have the basic human essentials; food, water, safety, love, they can not think about education and place it very low on their list of priorities.

Yet for some reason, whenever there is education reform, we start with firing teachers or attacking tenure. How about doing something about poverty and parents? Use the politics to address the real issues, don't just dump money into systems we already know don't help and make things worst.
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Old 08-03-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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There are many factors responsible for the reason US schools are not excelling today, the least of which is tenure.

Top 6 Factors Why American Schools Suck

6. Teachers - Have no real power over anything, yet get most of the blame.
5. Tenure - Protects some incompetence, but overall teachers are very dedicated.
4. School Administrators - Does what is right for the administration, not the kids. Handcuffed by litigious society.
3. Politics - NCLB terrible. Privatization terrible.
2. Parents - It all starts here, good parents = good students, and vice-versa.
1. Poverty - If people don't have the basic human essentials; food, water, safety, love, they can not think about education and place it very low on their list of priorities.

Yet for some reason, whenever there is education reform, we start with firing teachers or attacking tenure. How about doing something about poverty and parents? Use the politics to address the real issues, don't just dump money into systems we already know don't help and make things worst.
Very well said but honestly I know why we blame teachers and not the actual problem. Of course a lot of people have no clue about the problems of schools today because they live in their own worlds and couldnt ever dream to see how other people live.

The reason we blame teachers is because the majority of failing children are for the large part minorities. If you blame them you will pretty much be called a racist regardless if you are speaking the truth. So what we do is blame the easy person. This is the norm in this country and we hardly ever attack the root of problems.
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