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yes irvingtons crime would add to the bad but i was suggesting
irvington maplewood ( south ward )
You'd not only grab Irvington and Maplewood, but put them in the same ward, thus leaving tiny Maplewood completely dominated by it's poorer and larger neighbors?
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the oranges ( its own ward)
Dominated, of course, by East Orange, which is bigger than South Orange and West Orange put together. Also incidentally splitting the Maplewood/South Orange school district.
Do you really think we can't count heads out here in the suburbs?
You'd not only grab Irvington and Maplewood, but put them in the same ward, thus leaving tiny Maplewood completely dominated by it's poorer and larger neighbors?
Dominated, of course, by East Orange, which is bigger than South Orange and West Orange put together. Also incidentally splitting the Maplewood/South Orange school district.
Do you really think we can't count heads out here in the suburbs?
dominated how ? your a fear monger bruh ...
theres as close are they are ever gonna be but how would they be dominated when the massive voting force that is irvington underminds the good vote ???
and while your still throwing out silly sentences southo and maple are losing money as a school district but the school zoning wouldnt change ....
honestly ive gone back and forward with this with you since last year i think i did a pretty good job of rebuttaling since its always a new topic rather than clarifying or rehashing
theres as close are they are ever gonna be but how would they be dominated when the massive voting force that is irvington underminds the good vote ???
That's kind of the point. Irvington has about 54,000 people; the existing South Ward is about the same. Maplewood has maybe 24,000. Maplewood's interests would not be effectively represented in a combined South Ward.
That's kind of the point. Irvington has about 54,000 people; the existing South Ward is about the same. Maplewood has maybe 24,000. Maplewood's interests would not be effectively represented in a combined South Ward.
Exactly. If the idea is to dilute crime in Newark and diversify political interests in the city, then consolidating with Irvington and Maplewood is not the way to go about it. Since Irvington has a larger population than Maplewood, it will have a much greater effect on politics in Newark than Maplewood will. As it stands right now, political interests in Newark are changing on their own and for the better. People in Newark's good neighborhoods have more political pull now than they have had for decades. If Irvington is thrown into the mix, that will effectively cancel out the changes that have been happening recently. Even if you included Maplewood as well, that would not be enough to overcome Irvington's influence.
Exactly. If the idea is to dilute crime in Newark and diversify political interests in the city, then consolidating with Irvington and Maplewood is not the way to go about it. Since Irvington has a larger population than Maplewood, it will have a much greater effect on politics in Newark than Maplewood will. As it stands right now, political interests in Newark are changing on their own and for the better. People in Newark's good neighborhoods have more political pull now than they have had for decades. If Irvington is thrown into the mix, that will effectively cancel out the changes that have been happening recently. Even if you included Maplewood as well, that would not be enough to overcome Irvington's influence.
maplewood would have about just as many voters ... lets call a spade a spade here number you have to be able to vote which mean no current feleony... if irvington was such a political force it wouldnt have fallen that far even east orange has rebounded irvington is the last one left to even begin the process.. honestly it needs people like those in maplewood and bloomfield and nutley that would balance out the overall city election while still allowing them to have a district leader in the city itself ...
you cant convince me that maplewood, harrison, bloomfield, belleville, nutley, west orange, south orange, east orange, city of orange and kearny are going to succumb to the mighty political force that is the township of irvington ... nope cant see ...
not to mention that most of those towns vote democrat anyways ... if you tried to argue that irvington might lose its voice you might have better arguement but i feel like if it was a neighborhood newark could use to house young families in cleaner housing and centralize resources around there
That's kind of the point. Irvington has about 54,000 people; the existing South Ward is about the same. Maplewood has maybe 24,000. Maplewood's interests would not be effectively represented in a combined South Ward.
in a south ward made up of lincoln park weequahic lower clinton hill upper clinton hill hillside irvington and maplewood i feel thats pretty diverse
also being that maplewood is where the money is mayors are gonna have to be up there but for campaign donations so the power will be felt...
Newark and Irvington probably should merge, and maybe the oranges should merge. But J.C. and Newark definitely should NOT merge. They have different identities and are not exactly close or well linked (IMO) I could see the logic in turning Hudson County into one city, but not Jersey City and Newark
the only way i can see them being together is like the boro system with union county being the last one ... that being said my question is if hudson county merged into one city should they then be the city and county of jersey city ? ...
i notice that most of the contention comes in the form of newark annexing and nothing gets said about jersey city ? i kinda think the reason is that jersey city doesnt have the stigma newark does ... if you guys remember correctly jersey city was just as bad at one point but not only has that city rebounded the other cities around it have as well ..
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