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Old 05-02-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Does anyone know if this is a city code (west orange, in this case) or a state code?

I would think that in the age of the internet, with manuals readily available, that this is something that would be worthwhile removing from code. Anyone have any knowledge on this?
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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I have no idea if it is state or local (a quick google didn't turn up anything, but I'm sure you tried that). I know when we bought our current house one of the items on the CO checklist was that all manuals were available and accessible for the appliances. The previous owner had just placed them all in one of the kitchen drawers and that made it "compliant".
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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I actually just failed inspection because the manuals weren't "with" the appliances. Of course, after my plumber installed the boiler and hot water heater, i thought he left the manuals there for me to clearly see. I grabbed them, and filed them with my other manuals. When the inspector came, the manuals weren't there, and i had a hard time describing over the phone to my contractor where the manuals were, so we failed.

I just find it amusing that in the age of the internet, where every appliance manual is available online, that the manual must be there. Aside from the fact that I think it's a bad idea to leave paper on top of a gas boiler...

I didn't find much on google either. I figured I should look into this, and maybe try to talk some sense into the city/county/state, whomever enforces this in the code. Sometimes, old rules stick around that made sense at one time, and no one ever questions. What happens when appliance manuals are on a disc, or emailed to the purchaser? I am shocked we don't already have it that way...but it will eventually.
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Old 05-02-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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LOL, I have that kitchen draw full of Maunals, Instruction ect. I needed go check something 1st thing i did was goggle the product and found the PDF of the maunal and read it on my computer, Didn't even go look in the draw to see if it was in there.
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Old 05-02-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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LOL, I have that kitchen draw full of Maunals, Instruction ect. I needed go check something 1st thing i did was goggle the product and found the PDF of the maunal and read it on my computer, Didn't even go look in the draw to see if it was in there.
EXACTLY!!!! lol
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: In the woods
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Not everyone has access or is familiar with the Internet.

Imagine, for example, a senior citizen who doesn't know how to use the internet, with an issue with their old boiler.

Without a manual, a plumber/HVAC tech would have to search for the info or stop what they're doing and come back. If they have to do that their costs wiil go up.

Furthermore, if there was an emergency and a specific valve needed to be shut off, is it faster to look it up or look at the diagram in the (appropriately placed) manual?
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Not everyone has access or is familiar with the Internet.

Imagine, for example, a senior citizen who doesn't know how to use the internet, with an issue with their old boiler.

Without a manual, a plumber/HVAC tech would have to search for the info or stop what they're doing and come back. If they have to do that their costs wiil go up.

Furthermore, if there was an emergency and a specific valve needed to be shut off, is it faster to look it up or look at the diagram in the (appropriately placed) manual?
That could make a good Apple commercial, or at least a parody...

Person: Siri, find the emergency shut off valve for a XYZ gas boiler.

Siri: Sorry, I didn't understand you.

Person: Emergency shut off for a XYZ gas boiler.

Siri: I found 4 HVAC techs in your area, should I contact one?

Person: OMG the house is on fire!!!

Siri: I found two fire departments in your area, but you didn't pay your membership fee.

Person: AAAHHHH I'm Burning AHHHHHH

Siri: I have found the following websites with suggestions for treating third degree burns...
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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this is funny ... I found the manual to my furnace inside the furnace, it was partially burned HAHAHA... what idiot puts paper inside of a furnace!!!

I put all of my manuals on top of a kitchen cabinet to catch dust.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:46 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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this is funny ... I found the manual to my furnace inside the furnace, it was partially burned HAHAHA... what idiot puts paper inside of a furnace!!!

I put all of my manuals on top of a kitchen cabinet to catch dust.
the guy who installed it, because the plumbing code says it must be there, to ensure you burn your house down!
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Not everyone has access or is familiar with the Internet.

Imagine, for example, a senior citizen who doesn't know how to use the internet, with an issue with their old boiler.

Without a manual, a plumber/HVAC tech would have to search for the info or stop what they're doing and come back. If they have to do that their costs wiil go up.

Furthermore, if there was an emergency and a specific valve needed to be shut off, is it faster to look it up or look at the diagram in the (appropriately placed) manual?
good point, not everyone does. just 82% of the country. i'm not saying don't keep your manual, there's just no reason to have it required to be on the appliance for inspection.

and i could google "emergency shut off valve model 12345" and get an answer a lot quicker than flipping through a manual to find out what page it's on.

bottom line is, it's semi-useful, but antiquated code requirement.
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