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Old 05-31-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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Halfull, katenj and tahiti pretty much said everything I wanted to say. Bad jobs and extra tax.

Great way to spin it though Mr. Christie!
What extra tax?
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Proportionally poor and middle class people buy more and inject more into the economy, as well as spend a much bigger percentage of their incomes.

Rich people just buy more expensive items. Not many jobs created by buying a $100 million painting.
Complaints like this drive me nuts. A "poor" person who spends $1,000 is NOT injecting more into the economy than a "rich" person who spends $10,000. I don't care what percentage of their incomes those $ figures represent. Sales tax is assessed on the price of the item, not the income of the buyer. Rich people buy more than poor people do. Rich people buy all the same things poor people buy, they just buy a lot more of it, as well as (often) higher priced versions. "Rich" people will always generate more sales tax revenue than poor people will. Proportionality means nothing in this case.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Halfull, katenj and tahiti pretty much said everything I wanted to say. Bad jobs and extra tax.

Great way to spin it though Mr. Christie!
It's not an extra tax at all. NJ has just taken a big step to ensure that the tax due is actually paid. Are you actually going to advocate that allowing people to continue to cheat the state of those taxes is somehow a good thing, and should not be stopped?
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Randolph, NJ
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It's not an extra tax at all. NJ has just taken a big step to ensure that the tax due is actually paid. Are you actually going to advocate that allowing people to continue to cheat the state of those taxes is somehow a good thing, and should not be stopped?

It's a crazy system. Seems like if you want to collect tax, it shouldn't matter if they have an actual physical location in the state.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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It's not an extra tax at all. NJ has just taken a big step to ensure that the tax due is actually paid. Are you actually going to advocate that allowing people to continue to cheat the state of those taxes is somehow a good thing, and should not be stopped?
It's a de facto new tax. It would be the same as if you automatically got a speeding ticket mailed to your house every time you went 1 mile over the speed limit. Whereas now it is up to you, for the most part,to regulate yourself.

Bill, you sound like an honest guy. I'm sure you are already mailing your fine into the state every time you go over the limit. If only we could get everyone to be so honest and forthright in their dealings with these matters.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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It's a de facto new tax. It would be the same as if you automatically got a speeding ticket mailed to your house every time you went 1 mile over the speed limit. Whereas now it is up to you, for the most part,to regulate yourself.

Bill, you sound like an honest guy. I'm sure you are already mailing your fine into the state every time you go over the limit. If only we could get everyone to be so honest and forthright in their dealings with these matters.
There is zero requirement to "self fine" for speeding. There is a requirement to pay the tax. But I'm sure somehow this sounds like a good argument to you.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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It's a de facto new tax. It would be the same as if you automatically got a speeding ticket mailed to your house every time you went 1 mile over the speed limit. Whereas now it is up to you, for the most part,to regulate yourself.

Bill, you sound like an honest guy. I'm sure you are already mailing your fine into the state every time you go over the limit. If only we could get everyone to be so honest and forthright in their dealings with these matters.
There is no requirement anywhere that we mail in a fine for speeding. There is a requirement that we pay the sales tax on certain items, and if that tax is not collected by the retailer, then the consumer has a legal obligation to pay it. This "deal" between NJ and Amazon will benefit NJ by ensuring that a far greater portion, of the tax due, is actually collected than has been the case so far. While I don't pay the tax on EVERY online purchase I make, I do keep track of significant purchases, and report them on my state tax filing at the end of the year. Having it collected by the retailer will make it easier for me, as well as for millions of other NJ residents, to pay the NJ tax that is due.

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Old 05-31-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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you were always required to pay sales tax, if you did not, you were cheating the state and lying on your tax return. So the only people being punished are cheaters and liars, no?

This gets the rich more since they buy more, isn't that what everyone wanted?
this is the truth. plus, amazon hurt local businesses by refusing to agree to collect sales tax on behalf of the states it does business with. people love cheating the system though.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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My God, some of you are freakin unbelievable.

It appears that unless Christie was a Dem no matter what he does it 's no good.

Better to gain 1500 lower paying jobs than to lose 1500 lower paying jobs.

Don't like NJ, then go move to a Dem controlled town like Detriot, Chicago, LA, DC and so on...where everyone's a millionaire and unemployment is zero.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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There is no requirement anywhere that we mail in a fine for speeding. There is a requirement that we pay the sales tax on certain items, and if that tax is not collected by the retailer, then the consumer has a legal obligation to pay it. This "deal" between J and Amazon will benefit NJ by ensuring that a far greater portion, of the tax due, is actually collected than has been the case so far. While I don't pay the tax on EVERY online purchase I make, I do keep track of significant purchases, and report them on my state tax filing at the end of the year. Having it collected by the retailer will make it easier for me, as well as for millions of other NJ residents, to pay the NJ tax that is due.
The point I was trying to make was simply that by not paying sales tax on ALL online purchases you are essentially breaking the "law". Since the state does not have the resources to enforce this "law", much like the speed limit on every road in the state, it is up to each citizen to do so for themselves. The analogy was meant to demonstrate this point. Sorry the fine thing was confusing to you. Does that make more sense?
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