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Hmmm.......While I think they should go...the ticket prices should not rise 32 million means a few projects will be post poned but nothing should rise. As for the MMC its a good thing they didn't expand it or the Freight yard next to it...you could move it but where? You need at least a square mile for both yards in densely populated NJ....
If there are riders, then there should be rails. What they need is a better plan to deal with flooding. If it costs more money and raises rail ticket pricing, so be it. The loss of rails should not last this long.
If there are riders, then there should be rails. What they need is a better plan to deal with flooding. If it costs more money and raises rail ticket pricing, so be it. The loss of rails should not last this long.
Part of the problem is NIMBYS every Flood protection project or upgrade project over the last decade in this state has been halted by NIMBYS eco or local....
Part of the problem is NIMBYS every Flood protection project or upgrade project over the last decade in this state has been halted by NIMBYS eco or local....
Well NJT recent years has done that even with rich towns , like Monticlair or Summit if they need to improve something there going to do it...they used to bend over backwards for NIMBYS but not anymore....
The article is both right and wrong. Yes that's what NJ Transit did, but they didn't really have anywhere else to put the cars, there were no yards to put them in that didn't flood even worse than MMC...and good luck getting permission to build a big rail yard somewhere useful in the state that also isn't a flood zone.
The surge was also predicted to be a foot or two less than it wound up being, and if it was a foot or two less, it wouldn't have done much damage to the cars.
The article is both right and wrong. Yes that's what NJ Transit did, but they didn't really have anywhere else to put the cars, there were no yards to put them in that didn't flood even worse than MMC...and good luck getting permission to build a big rail yard somewhere useful in the state that also isn't a flood zone.
The surge was also predicted to be a foot or two less than it wound up being, and if it was a foot or two less, it wouldn't have done much damage to the cars.
Actually they did have other places to put the cars , very little damage occured in Hoboken which is slightly elevated....most Damage happened in Kearny a Levee and Berm near the yard broke and the water flooded in...
Originally Posted by millerm277
The article is both right and wrong. Yes that's what NJ Transit did, but they didn't really have anywhere else to put the cars, there were no yards to put them in that didn't flood even worse than MMC...and good luck getting permission to build a big rail yard somewhere useful in the state that also isn't a flood zone.
The surge was also predicted to be a foot or two less than it wound up being, and if it was a foot or two less, it wouldn't have done much damage to the cars.
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Didn't have anywhere else to put them??? It's a network of rail lines --- MOVE them away from the coast, and away from any river. Move them all to Northwest NJ if you have to. Just move them someplace. This is just your latest example of management incompetence. They gambled, and they lost. But they didn't lose their own money, here comes John Q. Taxpayer to pick up the tab!
They could have put them in Morrisville or Dover. Diesels and DPs they could have brought out to Port Morris. They could have stacked them up nose-to-tail on elevated sections of lines. Basically any choice would have been obviously better than Hoboken, which floods all the time. And they thought Kearny wouldn't flood because they completely misunderstood the difference between flooding from rain (e.g. Floyd) and flooding from surge, despite being told and despite it almost flooding during Irene. About the only worse choice would have been Sunnyside.
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