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Is it really a big deal to have a metal detector/weapon/explosive detector at the entrace just like the way we have for theaters, libraries and most offices?
Once the public learned how expensive it would be to install all of that equipment at the main entrance of a school, they would vote down the school budget in a heartbeat.
Yes, everyone wants increased security, but...Are they willing to pay for that security while simultaneously screaming constantly about their taxes being too high?
And, just to give you some reality on how/why your idea is not practical, let me give you my experience at a high school over several decades. Every school has multiple exits, due to fire code regulations, and these exit doors have to be opened readily, by pushing on the "panic bar" affixed to each door. Even though you can lock these door from the outside, they must be able to be opened from the inside because of the need to evacuate the building in case of emergencies.
Now, let us fast-forward to circa 2001. In addition to the off-duty copy paid to hang out near the entrance door, we added a security camera at the front door, and it was necessary for visitors to be "buzzed in" by a clerk. Nice idea, right? However, because the students continued to open the other doors from the inside every time one of their friends tried to get back into the building after sneaking a smoke outside, the security at the front entrance was...close to meaningless.
Not only did students let their friends in by opening various doors for them, on several occasions they let people into the building who had absolutely no business being in the building. Our cop was able to get rid of these folks--once they were spotted by teachers and located by the cop--but they got into the building all the same. Just imagine how much havoc someone with bad intentions could have wreaked before he was ousted from the building.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and--given the number of entry doors on any school building--it would be necessary to equip EVERY door with these very expensive electronic security devices in order to eliminate the weak links.
So...guess what? I can guarantee that your idea will never come to fruition, due to the extreme cost involved.
Last edited by Retriever; 12-17-2012 at 12:52 PM..
Why has the NRA been so quiet through all this? I thought that they've got the constitution on their side.
And I could post these tragedies every day. A friggin' OK state trooper didn't secure his personal gun.
LOGAN COUNTY, Okla. —
The gun used in the accidental shooting of a 3-year-old in Logan County on Saturday belonged to an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper, investigators said.
OHP spokeswoman Trooper Betsy Randolph said the gun was the trooper's personal weapon and not his state-issued gun.
Deputies said the child did not live at the home where the shooting happened.
Logan County Sheriff's Office spokesman Richard Stephens said two adults were at the home at the time of the shooting. Stephens said the gun had been left on a bedroom nightstand.
Why has the NRA been so quiet through all this? I thought that they've got the constitution on their side.
Because the NRA had nothing to do with this, despite the suggestion of some that they did. This was ONE psychotic assh**e who grabbed the most lethal weapons he could, and went on a rampage.
A couple of years ago, some brain dead idiot drove the wrong way on the Taconic Parkway in New York state. She caused a crash that killed eight people. Were you out demanding Ford & the United Auto Workers stop making and advocating the use of motor vehicles?
I would stay quiet too if i received death threats. Yes the NRA is receiving death threats what a great society we live in when we try to fight violence with more violence.
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the NRA nor a member, just an observer.
Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgoguns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.
Japanese tourists who fire off a few rounds at the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club would be breakingthree separate laws back in Japan -- one for holding a handgun, one for possessing unlicensed bullets, and another violation for firing them -- the first of which alone is punishable by one to ten years in jail. Handguns are forbidden absolutely. Small-caliber rifles have been illegal to buy, sell, or transfer since 1971. Anyone who owned a rifle before then is allowed to keep it, but their heirs are required to turn it over to the police once the owner dies.
The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it's not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel's landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)
To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.
Is it really a big deal to have a metal detector/weapon/explosive detector at the entrace just like the way we have for theaters, libraries and most offices?
This wouldn't have helped in this case. The doors were locked, he shot a bullet through the glass and broke in. It'll probably come to that though, probably with armed guards even in elementary schools.
Although sometimes it sucks getting older, I feel lucky I grew up in the 60's and 70's - it wasn't paradise, but we didn't have to worry about surviving a day of first grade. I really feel for kids today.
Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgoguns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.
Japanese tourists who fire off a few rounds at the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club would be breakingthree separate laws back in Japan -- one for holding a handgun, one for possessing unlicensed bullets, and another violation for firing them -- the first of which alone is punishable by one to ten years in jail. Handguns are forbidden absolutely. Small-caliber rifles have been illegal to buy, sell, or transfer since 1971. Anyone who owned a rifle before then is allowed to keep it, but their heirs are required to turn it over to the police once the owner dies.
The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it's not easy to do. The process is detailed in David Kopel's landmark study on Japanese gun control, published in the 1993 Asia Pacific Law Review, still cited as current. (Kopel, no left-wing loony, is a member of the National Rifle Association and once wrote in National Review that looser gun control laws could have stopped Adolf Hitler.)
To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.
And for this story, we travel to Osaka. By the way, that's in Japan...
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At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitorMamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers.[
So when crazy people want to be crazy, they will find a way. Gun control will do nothing to eliminate the occasional horrific mentally ill outburst. It is something that will always exist, as long as there are men.
Because the NRA had nothing to do with this, despite the suggestion of some that they did. This was ONE psychotic assh**e who grabbed the most lethal weapons he could, and went on a rampage.
A couple of years ago, some brain dead idiot drove the wrong way on the Taconic Parkway in New York state. She caused a crash that killed eight people. Were you out demanding Ford & the United Auto Workers stop making and advocating the use of motor vehicles?
You saying that doesn't make it correct. Try thinking a bit.
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