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I never said "on all issues". I said give credit and blame where they are due, not give all credit to Christie for any and everything good that happens while he refuses to take any blame for any of the bad, especially when it is a direct result of his own policies or incompetence, like Race to the Top or Revel Casino debacles, for example.
It's easy to appear successful when people are willing to give credit where none is due while ignoring your failures. Americans did enough of that with George W Bush and just look where that got us. Same place it will get New Jerseyans who do the same.
How much blame do you place on the NJ Legislature (you know which party controls it, right?) for many of the issues affecting this state?
The Legislature had a 6 year head start before Christie was even elected, with their party also in the Governor's Mansion.
Or did the myriad issues we have only begin on January 19, 2010?
Keep in mind that things like tenure and pension reform - items that the Dems love to rip CC for - were first passed through the Legislature before being signed into law. But somehow, only Christie is tied to these topics, and will not doubt be 'blamed' for them during the upcoming election.
How much blame do you place on the NJ Legislature (you know which party controls it, right?) for many of the issues affecting this state?
The Legislature had a 6 year head start before Christie was even elected, with their party also in the Governor's Mansion.
Or did the myriad issues we have only begin on January 19, 2010?
Keep in mind that things like tenure and pension reform - items that the Dems love to rip CC for - were first passed through the Legislature before being signed into law. But somehow, only Christie is tied to these topics, and will not doubt be 'blamed' for them during the upcoming election.
Christie came into office asking for tenure and pension reform. The DEMOCRATIC legislature complied by taking up those issues (unlike the Republican House in Washington which engages in strict obstructionism).
The Democratic legislature in New Jersey taking up and passing bills on issues requested by the Republican governor is the definition of bipartisanship. Do you have a problem with that?
BTW, Republican Governor Christine Todd Whitman began the practice of stealing money from the public pension system to cover the holes in her budget. The problem originated with her.
Is OP THAT ignorant? Toll prices increased based on a bill from Corzine to increase them. The guy raised taxes on NJ taxpayers after he was out of office. That is impressive.
I never said "on all issues". I said give credit and blame where they are due, not give all credit to Christie for any and everything good that happens while he refuses to take any blame for any of the bad, especially when it is a direct result of his own policies or incompetence, like Race to the Top or Revel Casino debacles, for example.
It's easy to appear successful when people are willing to give credit where none is due while ignoring your failures. Americans did enough of that with George W Bush and just look where that got us. Same place it will get New Jerseyans who do the same.
I'm an equal opportunity, fact based "blamer" and "praiser". Christie is not perfect. However, since you started posting here; in thread, after thread, after thread you have blamed Christie for everything from eating all of the "fresh hot donuts" at Krispy Kreme before you got there to issues with the economy to the fact it rained today. Every mention of Christie equals attack and criticize. I'm all for a realistic discussion of the governor, but you seem to simply 'revel' in the hypocrisy you claim to be railing against.
So, let's try to move beyond the hypocrisy. Tell me one thing not related to the "SuperStorm" that you credit Christie for? Tell me whether or not you blame the Legislature for what you view to be deficiencies. Afterall, the Legislature approves everything Christie does and a lot of major intitiatives have to begin there. They are, afterall the Legislative power in the state.
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Christie came into office asking for tenure and pension reform. The DEMOCRATIC legislature complied by taking up those issues (unlike the Republican House in Washington which engages in strict obstructionism).
The Democratic legislature in New Jersey taking up and passing bills on issues requested by the Republican governor is the definition of bipartisanship. Do you have a problem with that?
BTW, Republican Governor Christine Todd Whitman began the practice of stealing money from the public pension system to cover the holes in her budget. The problem originated with her.
We are all well aware of the history of the pension stealing. We are all also well aware that the unions were all in favor of taking the pension raises offered in bargaining sessions even though they were well aware of the "voodoo" accounting going on related to the expected returns.
At this point you are pretty much just spamming rhetoric and taking jabs. I'd personally love to see a balanced discussion that doesn't need to resort to partisan camp mud-slinging.
Is OP THAT ignorant? Toll prices increased based on a bill from Corzine to increase them. The guy raised taxes on NJ taxpayers after he was out of office. That is impressive.
"It's a user fee," Christie said at a press conference today. "It's not a tax. I know what a tax is and what it looks like."
He added, "You can look at a pig and call it a horse and if lots of people call it a horse, it's still a pig."
Christie and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed off on the tax hike on Hudson River crossings Thursday, bringing it down from the initial proposed $4 increase. Christie said he is demanding a "top to bottom" audit of the finances and management of the Port Authority as it moves forward with the increases.
1 : a tax or fee paid for some liberty or privilege (as of passing over a highway or bridge)
When Bill Clinton entered office Republicans later blamed him for signing NAFTA into law, even though NAFTA was the brainchild of George HW Bush and negotiated by his representative, Carla Hill. Bush expected to be reelected and sign the bill into law. Clinton beat him and signed the bill that a Republican congress passed. Republicans still blame Clinton for NAFTA.
Another example, just like yours, RUskoolie, of hypocritical Republicans trying to have it both ways because they really do believe, in grievous error, that they are smarter and more clever than everybody.
If your boy, Christie, didn't want the toll increases/taxes/pigs/whatever, then why didn't he stop them? Hmmmmm?
At this point you are pretty much just spamming rhetoric and taking jabs. I'd personally love to see a balanced discussion that doesn't need to resort to partisan camp mud-slinging.
So tell the Christie fan boys and girls to stop the partisan camp mud-slinging and maybe we can have a discussion.
Democrats are good at trying to negotiate while being punched in the face by Republicans. I don't negotiate when someone is trying to punch me in the face. I punch back. You're confusing cause and effect.
"They're both to blame" doesn't cut it when one is more to blame than the other.
Christie came into office asking for tenure and pension reform. The DEMOCRATIC legislature complied by taking up those issues (unlike the Republican House in Washington which engages in strict obstructionism).
The Democratic legislature in New Jersey taking up and passing bills on issues requested by the Republican governor is the definition of bipartisanship. Do you have a problem with that?
BTW, Republican Governor Christine Todd Whitman began the practice of stealing money from the public pension system to cover the holes in her budget. The problem originated with her.
As a moderate Republican - yes they exist - I am all for bi-partisanship. Yet it is nearly impossible to find today on either side of the aisle, and rest assured that even though the Dem Legislature took up and passed the bills, the Dems running for Governor later this year will only blame Christie for those unpopular positions, even though they were equally complicit.
I never said anything about stealing money from the pension system - nice job creating a strwman argument to continue your pre-concieved agenda.
My direct post to you concerned the 6 years where the Dems controlled all three houses, but apparently failed to do much of what you blame Christie for not doing now.
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Christie So tell the Christie fan boys and girls to stop the partisan camp mud-slinging and maybe we can have a discussion.
Bi-partisanship, eh? The left is nothing but rainbows and butterflies, right?
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Originally Posted by bobd04
"They're both to blame" doesn't cut it when one is more to blame than the other.
So, which side is more to blame? Christie for asking for reforms, or the DEMOCRATIC legislature (your caps) for passing them?
So tell the Christie fan boys and girls to stop the partisan camp mud-slinging and maybe we can have a discussion.
Democrats are good at trying to negotiate while being punched in the face by Republicans. I don't negotiate when someone is trying to punch me in the face. I punch back. You're confusing cause and effect.
"They're both to blame" doesn't cut it when one is more to blame than the other.
I've asked you to tell me in several threads now exactly what you blame Christie for and to tell me what other solutions are available and aren't being tried. You never respond. For the most part around here it's the "Christie haters" that are throwing the mud on every issue and topic that comes up.
What "face punching" has Christie done to the Legislature? If anything NJ recently has been rather awash in bipartisanship. Sweeney and Christie trade jabs, but they usually end up getting things done. If you want to talk about the Republicans in Congress and Obama, then we have a different discussion.
Which do you want? Are they equal in sharing credit, but not blame? Are they equal in blame, but not credit? Are they equal and that's it?
Here's a challenge for you, list for me Christie's mistakes since he's been in office and tell me how you would have handled it differently. Feel free to add any ideas you may have to do a better job then Christie.
Either that or you can continue to ignore opportunities for real discussion and just toss out random comments about Republicans and Christie's weight like a few others on this board do and pretend that people are actually taking you seriously.
bob is just an angry democrat. i find it cute that he posted this thread thanking the legislature. its fine to do that, but i doubt there would be any consistency in his position of thanking governor or legislature except that he will always thank the democrat for good and blame the republican for bad. maybe he would like to thank the republican legislature for clinton's budget success?
Some people are only going to be happy when everything is going bad so they can complain all the time.
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