NJ state jobs (salary, costs, pay)

[OleSchoolFool]

Are they hard to get? Do they pay well or you have to reach management levels for that? cuz starting salaries are similar to lower COL states

[tom1944]

Managers make less than their subordinates

[maryanne10]

Originally Posted by tom1944

Managers make less than their subordinates

That is definitely true....part of why I left the state system. Maybe it's a bit different now.

[tom1944]

I am talking about non-political appointments. It is penny wise and dollar foolish. This decision costs the State a significant amount more than it saves.

It is worse now.

[sonofagunk]

Originally Posted by tom1944

Managers make less than their subordinates

Not sure if it is true or not, but I think it should be. They have a group and then the promote someone in the group to be a manager. They may have been good at their job, but they probably do not know much about being a manager. So you lose a good worker, and get a newbie manager. It should cost you less. The difference is that he was probably one of the higer paid workers, and will not have the chance to up his salary much. But as a manager he is one of the lower paid managers and has a great chance to advancement (if he turns out to be a good manager)

[tom1944]

You are completely wrong. The managers have never received raises no matter how excellent their performance evaluations have been.

You think someone would take a promotion and take a pay cut. Never to receive a raise again?

[maryanne10]

Originally Posted by sonofagunk

Not sure if it is true or not, but I think it should be. They have a group and then the promote someone in the group to be a manager. They may have been good at their job, but they probably do not know much about being a manager. So you lose a good worker, and get a newbie manager. It should cost you less. The difference is that he was probably one of the higer paid workers, and will not have the chance to up his salary much. But as a manager he is one of the lower paid managers and has a great chance to advancement (if he turns out to be a good manager)

No. But the state would love you as part of their "team"!

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by sonofagunk

Not sure if it is true or not, but I think it should be. They have a group and then the promote someone in the group to be a manager. They may have been good at their job, but they probably do not know much about being a manager. So you lose a good worker, and get a newbie manager. It should cost you less. The difference is that he was probably one of the higer paid workers, and will not have the chance to up his salary much. But as a manager he is one of the lower paid managers and has a great chance to advancement (if he turns out to be a good manager)

this is some brilliant logic right here.

[tahiti]

Originally Posted by tom1944

You are completely wrong. The managers have never received raises no matter how excellent their performance evaluations have been.

You think someone would take a promotion and take a pay cut. Never to receive a raise again?

i was a manager (not state though) and it sucked. most of my direct reports made more than me. i'm technical by trade, so went back to being a worker bee for 25% more.

[tom1944]

They will not let you return to the previous job unless you take a substantial pay cut from your present salary. They do that so the managers do not all request demotions.