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Old 05-28-2008, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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are you willing to shoulder the cost of implementing such a program? since you benefit the most, I ask you pay your fair share of putting it in place.

I have always been willing to pay a fair share I just don't want to pay for those who contribute to overpopulation. You want a gang of kids don't ask me to help pay for their education.

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Old 05-28-2008, 08:04 AM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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Not having children doesn't relieve me from the huge school tax burden to send every one else's kids to school and I have every right to complain about the money that's being sucked out of my wallet to make your life easier. Don't tell me, it's for the kids. If "it" was for the kids, then you would have money for school supplies instead of putting the money towards your salary.

I don't mind paying something for the school tax, but I feel the tax should be based on how many kids you send to school. Do that and let's see how happy the parents would be with the school budget. NJ's new slogan: "Pay to Learn."
Maybe we can have teachers work for free, and then there would be a LOT of money for paper. I would imagine that would be a good idea for where you work. Let's say they reduce your salary so they can buy a new computer? No problem, right?

I'm very sorry you have no children to benefit from the school tax you paid. I assume when you went to school, only people with children paid the tax? The next generation is vitally important to everyone -- with or without children. And if you think teaching is a cake walk, volunteer once a week for one of your local schools. And no, I am not a teacher.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:10 AM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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Homeowners without children and who never plan on having children will never need the services provided by the local school district - plain and simple.
Hmmmm, I wonder how many babies were born so far this year to people who "never planned on having children?"
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:18 AM
 
Location: High Bridge
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Obviously, I don't support high starting salaries for teachers.


However... amgoff, did you get the opportunity for a publicly paid for education? Its not about your kids vs. their kids. You got an education, paid for by everyone else, and now you need to return the favor. Welcome to what we call a "society".

I don't debate the need for good quality education. I don't debate that some teachers don't see drastic increases, and the educational requirements can be high. I do debate the need for a high starting salary and massive benefits. I do contest the idea that every teacher out there is amazing, and does "so much" for the children. That, imho, is the biggest terd I've seen in a while. While there are good teachers, many do nothing more than read from a textbook - no real teaching anymore. Its a damn shame.

Anyways, there is a problem with our school budgets, with the ridiculous union, etc. However, there will always be a need for education available to all. The trick is finding the balance... and right now the scales are tipping in the wrong direction.. for everything.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:26 AM
 
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I have always been willing to pay a fair share I just don't want to pay for those who contribute to overpopulation. You want a gang of kids don't ask me to help pay for their education.

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I would like to see your town implement your scheme as the trial New Jersey case. I'd also like to see your reaction when the property values in town plummet.

Also, you need a "gang of kids" and steady population growth to support the economy and fund your retirement.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:30 AM
 
Location: High Bridge
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I would like to see your town implement your scheme as the trial New Jersey case. I'd also like to see your reaction when the property values in town plummet.

Also, you need a "gang of kids" and steady population growth to support the economy and fund your retirement.
How about hitting the problem sideways... a decrease in tax benefits after your second or third child?
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:36 AM
 
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How about hitting the problem sideways... a decrease in tax benefits after your second or third child?
But that's un-American- who decides what the "right" number of kids is? 2? 3? 10?
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: High Bridge
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But that's un-American- who decides what the "right" number of kids is? 2? 3? 10?
You don't, thats my point

I don't buy into the tax deduction concept though. Hell, I don't buy into the income tax concept. But thats a story for another thread...
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I have always been willing to pay a fair share I just don't want to pay for those who contribute to overpopulation. You want a gang of kids don't ask me to help pay for their education.

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and you, like amgoff, avoided answering my question. are you, and those who feel people with kids should pay more, willing to bear the cost of implementing such a program? and HOW (specifics please) would it be implemented such a way that it will SAVE money?

oh, and what do you consider "overpopulation"? so are you saying those with more than "x" number of kids pay more, and those with equal to or less than "x" pay what you pay? hmmm.............
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:15 AM
 
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and you, like amgoff, avoided answering my question. are you, and those who feel people with kids should pay more, willing to bear the cost of implementing such a program? and HOW (specifics please) would it be implemented such a way that it will SAVE money?
They're not looking for it to save money- just to shift money, silly- don't you understand???
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