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Old 05-28-2008, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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My school tax is $4,395.00 - just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside!! amgoff, I couldn't agree with you more.

amgoff for president!!

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Have you two ever stepped foot inside a classroom recently? Ever? Have you ever volunteered or mentored students before? If you have spent any amount of time teaching in a classroom then you might have an idea of what a teachers responsibility is and what a responsibility it is! Most teachers I know NEED that time off in the summer just to recouperate and stay sane.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:47 PM
 
Location: In My Own Little World. . .
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Have you two ever stepped foot inside a classroom recently? Ever? Have you ever volunteered or mentored students before? If you have spent any amount of time teaching in a classroom then you might have an idea of what a teachers responsibility is and what a responsibility it is! Most teachers I know NEED that time off in the summer just to recouperate and stay sane.
This is so true. I have worked as a substitute teacher in both NJ and OK. Today's student bears no resemblence to the students of the 60s, 70s and even 80s. Most classrooms today have several children with emotional issues. Then there are the learning disabled students who are being mainstreamed more and more. Then you have most of the students who were raised on TV and video games who are used to fast-paced, exciting visual stimulation who find sitting in a classroom and listening to a teacher "boring." The schools themselves (thanks to NCLB ) are under more and more pressure to "perform" regardless of the fact that not every child has the same talents and/or abilities. Add to this problems with the parents who are either totally disinterested or over zealous about little Suzy, who are having major stress issues themselves, and you have teachers who are counting down the days as the school year comes to a close. This is not an easy job. I agree that teachers NEED the summer off to maintain sanity. No question about it.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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and you, like amgoff, avoided answering my question. are you, and those who feel people with kids should pay more, willing to bear the cost of implementing such a program? and HOW (specifics please) would it be implemented such a way that it will SAVE money?

oh, and what do you consider "overpopulation"? so are you saying those with more than "x" number of kids pay more, and those with equal to or less than "x" pay what you pay? hmmm.............
I is totally impossible to win a debate with the overpopulationists, so I will not try.

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Old 05-29-2008, 07:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I is totally impossible to win a debate with the overpopulationists, so I will not try.

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what does that mean? i'm an overpopulationist (i don't even know what that means)? i think what it means is that you don't have a leg to stand on.

if you want those with children to pay more, i want to know how it would work and the cost. why can't you answer that? because you don't know, that's why - you know it would be an administrative nightmare.
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:14 AM
 
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Ooops, wait, I meant to say...yes, you are correct. Teachers are grossly overpaid for the insubstantial role they play in society. Shame on them and shame on us all for letting them get away with it for so long.

Perfect! Now your getting it! 26 pages of nonsense!
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:21 AM
 
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Thanks, I've been working really hard on it!
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Old 05-29-2008, 09:27 AM
 
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Thanks, I've been working really hard on it!

I think the funniest one so far is "many do nothing more than read from a textbook - no real teaching anymore."

That is a definete "Yes...that is what teachers do - no real teaching anymore..."
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:11 AM
 
Location: High Bridge
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I think the funniest one so far is "many do nothing more than read from a textbook - no real teaching anymore."

That is a definete "Yes...that is what teachers do - no real teaching anymore..."
It wasn't that long ago that I was in school... and my sister, who is in whats considered a "good school", has told me about various problem teachers - many of whom I am familiar with.

So... perhaps you need a dose of reality as to what actually goes on in school nowadays. Not just your own perspective (if you're a teacher), but other teachers you work with. You may care; most don't.
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Old 05-29-2008, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It wasn't that long ago that I was in school... and my sister, who is in whats considered a "good school", has told me about various problem teachers - many of whom I am familiar with.

So... perhaps you need a dose of reality as to what actually goes on in school nowadays. Not just your own perspective (if you're a teacher), but other teachers you work with. You may care; most don't.
where's your empirical evidence to back this up?
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:19 AM
 
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It wasn't that long ago that I was in school... and my sister, who is in whats considered a "good school", has told me about various problem teachers - many of whom I am familiar with.

So... perhaps you need a dose of reality as to what actually goes on in school nowadays. Not just your own perspective (if you're a teacher), but other teachers you work with. You may care; most don't.
Yes, you are right! Thank you for enlightening me.
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