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Old 05-29-2008, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Down Jersey
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Oooh... seems as if I stirred the pot a little, so to speak.

To tie up a few loose ends...

First of all, while totally regardless to this discussion... I didn't receive a public education - my parents paid for it, not my neighbors. Even if I had attended public school, it would be a pointless argument because as I have already pointed out - maintaining the status quo simply because that's the way it's always been done is a poor reason to do so.

Second, as far as my comment about those who do not have children and never plan on having any... I can't really speak for anyone else, but if one plans on never having children - it's not overly difficult to take the necessary precautions to prevent such from happening.

Finally, I stand by my original suggestion... Again, I'm not a socialist. I also love how one of the arguments against my suggestion is that there would be this need for some overwhelming sense of bureaucracy to implement such a thing... the state and local municipalities know which households have children that are attending the public school system... Unless you count some simple algorithm used on your local tax assessor's computer to be an added level of bureaucracy, then it wouldn't be all that difficult to figure out.

I said it before and I'll say it again... I have no problem with charity, but it's not the government's place to hand it out.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:09 PM
 
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Take hands away from keyboard, take hands away from keyboard...

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the state and local municipalities know which households have children that are attending the public school system
Ok, I'm diving in, but only because it has nothing to do with teachers and more to do with one of the larger problems I think we need to address. State and local municipalities should know which households have children...but they don't. SOOO many children are going to public schools in districts they don't live in, and it's very difficult for districts to prove their residency. I imagine the same problem in reverse would quickly jam up the works of your plan. People would try to find the cheapest district and sneak their kids in...unless you want all school financing to become state-based, which would lead to a state-based curriculum, which would take all local control away from education - which is a slippery slope in many ways.

And the biggest loose end of all is still out there...what do you do if some hideously irresponsible parent has more children than they can afford to pay for school for? Do those kids just stay home? Yeah, fine to punish the parents - but what do you do with a generation of poor children whose parents couldn't or chose not to put into school? It isn't the kid's fault, and you've basically taken away any possible chance of their being a valuable contributor to society or earning their own way. Which puts them right back on your tax dollar rolls for welfare, medicaid, etc.? Do you honestly think that wouldn't be the biggest nightmare???

Or you could put the parents into jail...and the kids would become part of the foster care system, and your tax dollars would once again pay for them to go to school?

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Old 05-29-2008, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Jersey City
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hey bill keegan any suggestion on becoming a real estate salesperson like schools and stuff.
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Jersey City
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ITs about time teacher are being recognize and being paid what they should be pay. Come with out teacher, no education, without education you kids will be driving you up the walls. Man o man i rather my money go there then other place. Its not easy teacher kids and havin gall the patience they do.
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:55 PM
 
Location: High Bridge
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where's your empirical evidence to back this up?


Where is your empirical evidence that a high starting salary will improve the education of the students? Where is your empirical evidence that teachers "have it hard", that they "don't get paid enough"? Where is your empirical evidence that they *are* doing a good job?
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:54 PM
 
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My Sister Is An Elementary School Teacher With Her Masters Degree She Barley Makes 50k Teachers Do More Then Teach Math Science Etc.. They Are The Parents Away From Home And Give Our Children The Start They Need In Life To Be Intelligent Individuals In This Crazy Mixed Up World We Live In ...they Pay Money To The Superintendents That Sit On There Butts All Day Take There Salary And Sprinkle It Around To The Teachers That Work Hard
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:08 PM
 
Location: High Bridge
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As a point of note, the reason why capital letters are only used at the beginning of a sentence is because the paragraph becomes very tough to read.

As another point of note, teachers are NOT parents to their students. Their job is to teach the subject at hand, their job is NOT to teach their own perspectives on the world. Acting civil and appropriate in a public setting? Most definitely. Beyond that, and any teacher would get hell from me for crossing the line with my child.
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Old 04-23-2010, 03:19 PM
 
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First of all you can't argue that you don't need to be qualified to become a teacher. State Laws make sure of that. Also, how can anyone compare the profession of a teacher to that of a construction worker? Neither is less important. Someone has to design the road and someone has to build it. Both take skill. Are they replaceable...of course any one is. Are some amazing some mediocre and some that should be ashamed to call themselves teachers or construction workers...of course. Isn't that true of any profession? You should never say that teaching is unimportant. It gives the impression that learning is unimportant to you as well. Everyone knows that a person without knowledge is ignorant.
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