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Old 10-28-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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There is no need to gentrify Camden, Trenton, and AC when Philly is so large and cheap and those cities are so corrupt and crime ridden.


OTOH its sorta of amazing that cities as bad as Camden, Trenton, and AC exist at all considering their prime location. Trenton has easy commute to Both NYC and Philly plus is in one of the wealthiest counties in the USA. AC has prime beachfront property with a day drive of 50 million people or more. Camden is closer to CC Philly than many of Philly's gentrifying neighborhoods and suburban SJ is not in the middle of nowhere with Campbells, Subaru, and TD Bank headquarters in or near the city. You would never see that kind of situation out west or in any other country. Its like those cities are on purpose trying to kill them selves, sometimes literally.
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Randolph, NJ
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There is no need to gentrify Camden, Trenton, and AC when Philly is so large and cheap and those cities are so corrupt and crime ridden.


OTOH its sorta of amazing that cities as bad as Camden, Trenton, and AC exist at all considering their prime location. Trenton has easy commute to Both NYC and Philly plus is in one of the wealthiest counties in the USA. AC has prime beachfront property with a day drive of 50 million people or more. Camden is closer to CC Philly than many of Philly's gentrifying neighborhoods and suburban SJ is not in the middle of nowhere with Campbells, Subaru, and TD Bank headquarters in or near the city. You would never see that kind of situation out west or in any other country. Its like those cities are on purpose trying to kill them selves, sometimes literally.

Holy hyperbole batman! You really don't think there are other cities like that in the US, or anywhere in the world...?
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Old 10-28-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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The only city that I've really seen following this trend is Jersey City. It seems other cities like Trenton, Newark, and Camden aren't following the trends of cities like Philadelphia and New York where people are getting priced out at rapid rates and you see massive shifts in demographics. Why is that?
Trenton + Camden - They are not cities in that sense of the word. Trenton has a population of 84,000. Camden has a population of 77,000. They are not the anchors of a region, the state, or really very important at all. They largely existed as manufacturing hubs, and those days are dead and not returning. They should not even be mentioned in the same breath as NYC or Philly, really.

There are bigger towns in NJ than Trenton and Camden are. (Edison has a population of 100k). There are also bigger cities, such as Elizabeth and Paterson.

Anyone desiring urban living, moves to one of the two massive, important cities, right across the state border.

Newark is different. It is improving a bit and probably will improve quicker in the future. This is because of it's proximity and access to NYC and that the closer in lands (in terms of time to NYC) are starting to price people out. Unlike Trenton and Camden, it is also 3-5x their size, has some identity of it's own, and has some actual strengths to it. It's a big transport hub, the biggest East Coast port is there, there are actually a number of significant companies HQ'd there, a number of universities, etc. It has something to build on.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:27 PM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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NJ's cities need to expand.
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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Newark had a lot going for it for many years but that ended after the riots and the city outside the downtown has never really recovered. Can one feel safe when Newark has 100 murders and a city like NY with 8 million has 350? Newark's murder rate is still off the charts.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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NJ's cities need to expand.
These threads are like a broken record at this point but yea we need some serious consolidations or annexations to happen.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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"Why aren't NJ cities experiencing the same rapid gentrification as cities in neighboring states?"

Businesses are leaving NJ and taking jobs with them. It's the reason for this and other problems here.
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Old 10-29-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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Contrary to popular belief Newark is actually gentrifying, but it's moving very slowly. JC's gentrification is unprecedented as the waterfront builds up.

Newark is seeing development near the arena unseen in decades, and demand for living downtown was discovered there despite the overall crime picture of the city.

In all honesty, Newark really shouldn't have to expand just yet. In it's current geographical size it reached its peak population of over 440k. It still has a lot of flat land that can be built on before it needs to expand. With that said...it should expand anyway.

Pittsburgh may be a good example of a primary principle city, but then the logic falls when you see a city like Buffalo. Also a principle city but has been losing population and is now smaller than Newark. Oakland isn't a primary principle city and despite its crime it thrives.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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New York City , DC and Boston are the only rapidly Gentrifying cities in the Northeast...the rest are doing it at a decent pace but not as fast as NYC or the other cities.... Those 3 cities are in a very small league , Seattle , Vancouver , Toronto are in that League aswell....but the rest of US and Canada is not that fast...its a moderate pace.
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Old 10-29-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Also, it's important to point out that while NJ's big cities are not gentrifying quickly, its towns are. Look at New Brunswick, Red Bank, Morristown, Summit, Montclair, Westfield, Princeton, or Lambertville. All of those places have wealthy downtown areas...some have poor areas too, just like any city. The above list doesn't even mention smaller towns, South Orange, Maplewood, Boonton, Madison, Chatham, etc. that are all wealthy and have seen development. Also a lot of towns along the Raritan Valley line. There's also the suburban-sprawl areas like the Route 1 corridor near Plainsboro where you see a lot of high-end development going on.
Gentrification isn't an already-wealthy area seeing some more development. It's when a poorer, blighted area sees redevelopment. So Summit, Westfield, Princeton, South Orange, Maplewood, etc haven't really been gentrified, because they were never poor to begin with.
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