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Old 02-17-2014, 10:05 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Rock salt to be delivered to NJ held up because ship is not flying U.S. flag, report says | NJ.com
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:00 PM
 
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It hardly matters at this point. The next storm will hit us before the ship could arrive anyway, and the storm after that is supposed to be rain.

I believe the regulation that domestic traffic has to be served by domestic ships is a fairly common one internationally.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It hardly matters at this point. The next storm will hit us before the ship could arrive anyway, and the storm after that is supposed to be rain.

I believe the regulation that domestic traffic has to be served by domestic ships is a fairly common one internationally.
Either way "the Savior" could have issued an Executive Order as he's been saying that he has a "pen".
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Epping,NH
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They knew the requirement before they left their home port yet did nothing until they landed in Maine? It was a setup from the start to avoid the regulations and make additional profits by using low cost shipping and crews. when an other one of these ships sinks or runs aground sticking the taxpayer with the cleanup then will everyone ***** even louder. Substandard shipping caused a massive spill in Alaska and didn't pay a dime to clean it up beyond a small fine. The taxpayer was stuck with almost two hundred million in costs.

No one in that company or the Captain thought to apply long before making port in the US? They sound totally incompetent. Either way they weren't going to make Newark before this storm. With the weather up there it will be three days before making Newark and a few more days to offload and get the salt to the buyers.

Nothing more than bs media hype. Why should a ship that may be far below standards be permitted to travel our coastline. Besides you seriously think the President deals in issuing bs waivers?
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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I'm not understanding. So if the ship comes from an international port...it's fine to come to a US port, but because it's already at a US port, it cannot leave that port and come to another US port?

what does that have to do with the ship being below standards? it was up to standards to port in Maine, no?
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:01 AM
 
Location: High Bridge, NJ
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I'm not understanding. So if the ship comes from an international port...it's fine to come to a US port, but because it's already at a US port, it cannot leave that port and come to another US port?
This comes down to the simple fact that just like with anything else, maritime shipping has rules and regulations that need to be followed. Everything from the appliances in our kitchens to the cars we drive to the coffee in our mugs in the morning arrives by container ship practically 24/7, all because the companies operating those ships follow the rules. This obviously was some kind of snafu that the media is making a way bigger deal about than necessary. We use too damn much salt anyway. Out West they use a lot less if any at all and their cars last a hell of a lot longer. DOT is talking about having to close interstate highways during snow storms because of a lack of salt. BS. Just restrict usage to people with 4WD and/or chains/studded tires. Simple. If people in the Northeast just learned how to drive in the stuff and had proper equipment we wouldn't need nearly as much salt.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: NJ
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This comes down to the simple fact that just like with anything else, maritime shipping has rules and regulations that need to be followed. Everything from the appliances in our kitchens to the cars we drive to the coffee in our mugs in the morning arrives by container ship practically 24/7, all because the companies operating those ships follow the rules.
regulations made by big government politicians in order to protect certain special interests.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: NJ
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So watch the lawsuits pile up from the offended and their lawyers...welcome to NJ.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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This comes down to the simple fact that just like with anything else, maritime shipping has rules and regulations that need to be followed. Everything from the appliances in our kitchens to the cars we drive to the coffee in our mugs in the morning arrives by container ship practically 24/7, all because the companies operating those ships follow the rules. This obviously was some kind of snafu that the media is making a way bigger deal about than necessary. We use too damn much salt anyway. Out West they use a lot less if any at all and their cars last a hell of a lot longer. DOT is talking about having to close interstate highways during snow storms because of a lack of salt. BS. Just restrict usage to people with 4WD and/or chains/studded tires. Simple. If people in the Northeast just learned how to drive in the stuff and had proper equipment we wouldn't need nearly as much salt.
I dunno about that. i'm not sure when this ported in Maine, but it could be the demand for salt is just not as far northeast as they thought. and now they need it down here.

i've been out west, and they use a fair amount of salt. no one is making a big deal...it's one news story in the star ledger.

maybe they could restrict usage to those people, but that's essentially closing it down. 4wd isn't good on ice, despite what some 4wd drivers believe.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: High Bridge, NJ
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maybe they could restrict usage to those people, but that's essentially closing it down. 4wd isn't good on ice, despite what some 4wd drivers believe.
Chains and studded tires are. They're widely used out West and you can't travel the highways that cross the Rockies in wintertime without them.
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