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UGH, I am so sorry about that sammy. The new Google maps is a mess. I seriously prefer the older version where a Short Link URL would work. Try this link out perhaps.
Nice map! Mt. Holly would make a nice little railroad town. So would Moorestown, but the locals are opposed to a train, even if it would help revitalize their downtown.
Nice map! Mt. Holly would make a nice little railroad town. So would Moorestown, but the locals are opposed to a train, even if it would help revitalize their downtown.
Sadly so buddy. I wonder why though. Perhaps they like driving through the choked Route 38 Traffic.
Mount holly-Philadelphia is one of the lines that could actually be useful for commuters to Philly, and basically touches all the south Jersey Suburbs to Philly. I would much rather go with this project than the Lackawanna Cutoff when it comes to returns on infrastructure investment. The Tracks for Lackawanna are too slow and curvy. Driving on I 80 from north jersey to the Poconos is faster. The trains will be limited to an MPS (Maximum Permissible Speed) of 70 MPH on this route, while on I 80, I usually cruise at 75 MPH under normal traffic flow conditions.
Sadly so buddy. I wonder why though. Perhaps they like driving through the choked Route 38 Traffic.
I'd wager it's because the train line runs right through their town at grade, often within 10-30ft of residential property, and crossing every N-S road in the town at grade as well.
I'd imagine a train line would have a significant impact on quality of life in the town, as well as traffic.
Ideally there would be many new rail projects, but the political will and public funds likely aren't available in the current climate. Also, it's tough for the state to prioritize. An expansion of the Newark light rail would be great to integrate the downtown with the rest of the city. OTOH, surrounding towns have good connectivity with downtown, and there are few employers or entertainment in Newark's outer wards. An expanded light rail out of Jersey City makes a lot of sense for better integrating the Gold Coast. As a resident of the rural west, any rail service to alleviate AM traffic on 80, 46, and 10 would be nice. As a frequent commuter to Philly, a West Trenton extension or Riverline expansion would be nice. But there aren't funds for all of these...
Trust me, If there was the will, the money could be found fairly easily (existing funds, special tax districts, alternative revenue sources, bonding, etc.). Not all these projects would occur at once of course but over a number of years. It would not be too difficult to make this the most interconnected region in the nation. Not to mention the potential boom to the state's cities this would bring about. The money isn't hard to find without even getting into the exorbitantly bloated government we have to pay for currently.
While we are sharing "fantasy maps" I created a map a while back while I had some time on my hands. It shows all current NJT lines as well as officially proposed lines and further out possibilities for train service (current lines are in black and Brown by division proposals and expansions are in color). Also in a different layer I created a full Urban Jersey subway system connecting Newark with essex county, Elizabeth and Hudson county as well as fully connecting JC with the rest of Hudson county. (existing lines are all in black I believe here). North Jersey if built out, South Jersey is still a work in progress (before I get any comments I'm working on it when I find the time). found here
Finally, I disagree with what you have to say about Newark being well connecting to surrounding towns. Surrounding towns do have commuter rail but this does not provide the benefit that heavy rail would in integrating the regional economy and promoting growth.
they should expand the light rail and the PATH to further integrate Newark's suburbs and Hudson County
PATH extension to Newark Airport and HBLR extension to Englewood are about the only two expansion projects that ARE likely to happen in the near future. So you're sort of getting your wish there.
I don't understand why they want to extend the PATH to Newark Airport. That has to be the most uncomfortable place to bring all your luggage. It just seems silly, especially since the Northeast Corridor already stops there, and those trains actually run fairly often.
I have a lot of transit ideas, none of which will ever happen because they would all cost too much, but something I'd like to see would be a new PATH line to connect places like Weehawken, West NY, North Bergen, UC, Edgewater, etc. to Manhattan. 24 hour rail service to those places would be great.
I don't understand why they want to extend the PATH to Newark Airport. That has to be the most uncomfortable place to bring all your luggage. It just seems silly, especially since the Northeast Corridor already stops there, and those trains actually run fairly often.
I'm guessing that the selling point is a one seat ride to WTC/Lower Manhattan and Jersey City (since it's the WTC line that'll be getting extended). The other thing is that it's a great location to pull people off the roads from. I-78, US-22, 1&9 all meet next to the existing Newark Airport NJT station. Build a big parking deck there and it should be like Harrison station has become for the I-280 crowd.
There's tons of people from my area (Somerset Co, I-78) who waste limited capacity on the Turnpike Ext/Pulaski to drive into Journal Square or the other PATH stations to get to WTC, since NJ Transit from that far out is too slow and too limited for their needs, especially when they don't necessarily leave work early enough for the PM Rush trains.
I think the other aspect here is that mismanaged as it is, the PA actually has the funds to build it.
On the NJ side those that have moved to the western part of the state often say they did so to get away from congestion, density and the other "problems" of New York City and the more built-up parts of NJ
These people are being greedy, not caring about harming their fellow citizen. Don't weant congestion? Too bad, you have no right to deny basic services to your neighbor. You may be rich and not need it but other people are poorer.
Why the hell is everyone so god damned egocentric?
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