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if i did think it was right for the state to murder someone, I would agree that this guy is a prime candidate for a good person to murder. I'm just uncomfortable with my tax dollars going to the sanctioned killing of a person. I also think rotting in a max-security prison, with limited activity and zero freedom, is a far worse punishment than giving him the easy way out with our tax dollars.
and it is quite expensive, given the controls we have in place to ensure we don't execute an innocent person.
There's a difference between 'murder' and 'killing someone'. Killing someone like a soldier in war or an execution is justified. Murder is a unjustified/wrongful killing of someone.
There's a difference between 'murder' and 'killing someone'. Killing someone like a soldier in war or an execution is justified. Murder is a unjustified/wrongful killing of someone.
ok. you can reword it however you'd like. A soldier in war where one is defending oneself, I can be ok with. But I would never call an execution justified. Just because people who hold the power carry out a killing doesn't make it any more moral than someone who did it for an iPhone. Not to me at least.
The overall problem is that our "justice" system inherently favors the criminal. "Innocent until proven guilty" pretty much sums that up. I read on NJ.com earlier today that one of the perpetrators in this case had committed a robbery 2 weeks earlier and was out on $50k bail. So you commit a violent crime but as long as you pay your deposit you can go on your merry way. Then you have people being released from jail early due to "good behavior" and any other excuse you can think of, so they get released and go back committing the same crimes over and over again. Needless to say it's a broken system.
If i recall correctly, the USA doesn't have an issue with jailing too few people these days.....
And what would you rather? Guilty til proven innocent? You do realize what country you live in, right?
i'd still rather be free in society that locked up in a prison. but, like i said - try it out for yourself. (being in power at a prison is not the same as being locked up in one either).
Williams and Villagran are from West Orange; one lives in the apartments where the body was found. The shooter (Brown) was from East Orange, but he's a psychopath no matter what; had he grown up super-rich he'd probably be a serial killer instead of a carjacker. The murderer of the Newark girl was from Irvington.
I thought the shooter was from Seattle? Or did he live in NJ and then go out to Seattle?
Most likely as the thugs probably needed to get cash for drugs...at least that's what statistics says.
It is astounding that these thugs lived free and maybe heard the news of other murders and saww the saddness or experienced friends getting killed. How is it possible these scummers could not be at least prompted to think about what they were about to do.
Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs. Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs. Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs.
Education alone will not accomplish anything without mentoring, family and community involvement, so when a subsequent poster is sure to suggest throwing more money for education, consider that solution has been tried in spades with neglible results. Zuckerberg donating 100 muilion $$ to newark edu should make that city a center of excellence for edu!!! It is like making an appple pie sans apples. Edu must be combined in a recipe with other elements for it to matter.
All kids are not equal in regard to motivation, desire and behavior. To keep a 19th century public school policy that says all kids must get the same opportunity, and all kids are equal, no longer applies. You cannot teach or learn with a mix of criminals and serious students in the same classroom or school building. Fly in the face of social justice and segregate the kids into different schools with appropriately trained teachers to ensure ALL kids get an honest attempt at an education. Move kids around if progress warrants. Unlike today if a kid gets targeted and put in with the thugs of tomorrow it is almost impossible to get the kid mainstreamed again.
Laws are ineffective in controlling the violence. To pass more laws is to do nothing. The law was never intended, much as public edu, to exist in isolation of peer, family, community and religious pressure.
The law is useless as a stand alone means to control social behavior. Unfortunately that is the way the country is going.
What we do know, is that they allowed him to plead guilty to a lesser charge. Sometimes I think it is appropriate to offer to plead down. When someone rapes a 6 year old, all lesser charges should be off the table. That is what's broken about our justice system.
maybe their evidence against him wasn't strong enough to go to trial, so the prosecutor took what he believed he could get? like the other poster said - we really don't know, do we?
Most likely as the thugs probably needed to get cash for drugs...at least that's what statistics says.
It is astounding that these thugs lived free and maybe heard the news of other murders and saww the saddness or experienced friends getting killed. How is it possible these scummers could not be at least prompted to think about what they were about to do.
Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs. Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs. Violence is downstream from gangs and drugs.
Education alone will not accomplish anything without mentoring, family and community involvement, so when a subsequent poster is sure to suggest throwing more money for education, consider that solution has been tried in spades with neglible results. Zuckerberg donating 100 muilion $$ to newark edu should make that city a center of excellence for edu!!! It is like making an appple pie sans apples. Edu must be combined in a recipe with other elements for it to matter.
All kids are not equal in regard to motivation, desire and behavior. To keep a 19th century public school policy that says all kids must get the same opportunity, and all kids are equal, no longer applies. You cannot teach or learn with a mix of criminals and serious students in the same classroom or school building. Fly in the face of social justice and segregate the kids into different schools with appropriately trained teachers to ensure ALL kids get an honest attempt at an education. Move kids around if progress warrants. Unlike today if a kid gets targeted and put in with the thugs of tomorrow it is almost impossible to get the kid mainstreamed again.
Laws are ineffective in controlling the violence. To pass more laws is to do nothing. The law was never intended, much as public edu, to exist in isolation of peer, family, community and religious pressure.
The law is useless as a stand alone means to control social behavior. Unfortunately that is the way the country is going.
Agreed.
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