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Old 08-16-2014, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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NJ voters get exactly what they want. We are a provincial, selfish & myopic voter base. In the end, you don't really care what happens to Atlantic City as long as it doesn't effect your pockets. As long as your municipality is safe & your school system is highly ranked, the rest of the state be damned.
Multiply that mind frame times the endless amount of miniscule little feifdoms & it creates the perfect environment for curroption & waste. It's like trying to heard cats. No one is watching. No one is held accountable because 'who cares; it's not my town'. This is the prevailing theme of NJ politics.
Nothing will change though. God forbid you consolidate with your surrounding municipalities. Oh no. Not with "them". Your future little president is to good to go to school with the likes of "those people".
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Brings to mind an old George Carlin bit. Something to the effect of.... when you have selfish, ignorant citizens, of course you are going to have selfish, ignorant politicians. This is it folks, this is the best we can do.
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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NJ appears to have the financial strength of Detroit or Illinois
Not my point. It just doesn't need to wind up like South Florida, a mixture of God's Waiting Room, Nueva Havana & Breaking Bad.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: NJ & NV
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Thinking simplistically, and I know you can't physically do this but,,,in a more perfect world it would be nice if you could pick the entire Revel complex up with a group of helicopters and fly up the coast and set it down in the Meadowlands. That would transform it for sure. The population alone within a half hour from there would keep it rockin.

It's a very well planned and built building. Shame to see it close.Lots of big expanses, escalator going maybe 5 floors up, pool up top that goes from inside to outdoors, lots of marble floors and walls, all sorts of unique stuff like that.
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Old 08-17-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It does sound like an interesting building. Then WHY didn't your politicians really give some thought to it before they went ahead and put it in Atlantic City where it wasn't needed? I'm beginning to wonder if anyone, from President and Liar In Chief Obama, down to the lowest level of local government in No-Wheres-Ville, USA, and every level in between has a clue what they are doing or any interest in anything other than the next election.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:34 PM
 
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I don't mean to repeat myself yet I can't help but think that if Atlantic City had spent $2.4 billion on family friendly entertainment venues perhaps it would still be viable.

As an American who has spent the better part of the last 6 years residing in Europe I can tell you every Italian/European knows that Las Vegas is a gamblers paradise not to mention an actual US destination city just like NYC and SF. Now, I have not met a single Italian that has ever even heard of AC. So again I wonder, since there has been so much competition from other states instead of building another Mega Casino why didn't AC build an all year round INDOOR West Edmonton/Mall of America style theme park with amusement park rides, water park, maybe even a ski slope or aquarium with an entertainment arena for theme shows and concerts? Certainly that money would have been better spent.

Perhaps it is 10 years too late for that but at least for the money they would have created a shot at becoming a viable US (family friendly) destination. What do you all think?


A mall such as West Edmonton or Mall of America would need to be located in a metro area of at least one and a half million people to survive. And tourists, gamblers, and day tripping beachgoers would never keep it going.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:41 PM
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I can't believe the news about how AC is on a downward spiral. And so soon after the PA took over that airport.

I am amazed.
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Old 08-18-2014, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Abruzzo
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A mall such as West Edmonton or Mall of America would need to be located in a metro area of at least one and a half million people to survive. And tourists, gamblers, and day tripping beachgoers would never keep it going.
I didn't actually mean a mall with retail stores. I was talking about just the indoor amusement parks which both malls have. I believe Atlantic City would have been much better off today if it had spent that 2 billion plus dollars building an indoor all year road amusement/water park and maybe aquarium to at least attract families than building another casino. That would at least be something that PA and CT casino's do not offer. Furthermore, they could have at least cleaned up many of the shops on the boardwalk especially those selling drug paraphernalia and the like.
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Old 08-18-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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I just booked a trip to Las Vegas for mid Sept from NYC. Flight + Hotel Stay (4 star hotel) for 3 nights (Thurs - Sunday)= $665. Just to compare, a 3 night stay at the borgata for that same wknd comes out to $974.91. This is part of what's wrong with A.C and aside from those losing thier jobs I'm happy to see its demise!
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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I just booked a trip to Las Vegas for mid Sept from NYC. Flight + Hotel Stay (4 star hotel) for 3 nights (Thurs - Sunday)= $665. Just to compare, a 3 night stay at the borgata for that same wknd comes out to $974.91. This is part of what's wrong with A.C and aside from those losing thier jobs I'm happy to see its demise!


Not to mention that they almost give away the meals in Las Vegas, while the prices of meals in Atlantic City are comparable to those in NYC.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Ontario, NY
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I agree with this idea. It should have been done long ago. Once they started razing older--and sometimes historic--buildings, they should have just leveled the rest of the city. A (mostly) indoor, outdoor water park, ski slope, more amusement park rides, maybe skating would have been a good idea. Diggerland? A decent surf shop would be a nice addition.
Atlantic City residents allowed legalized gambling to benefit the city, not to demolish the entire city. The Residents never would have allowed casinos to level there homes and push them out of the city. If the casinos were built in an area that wasn't already developed it could have expand into an adult Disney land resort, but it wasn't.

To be fair, Atlantic City did try to develop some family attractions. It built a baseball stadium for a minor league baseball team, and it had a ice hockey team. Neither of which lasted more than a few years, because the interest just wasn't there. I wager if an indoor/outdoor water park, ski slope, more amusement park rides they would all be bust by now. If the half empty pier mall proves anything, just because you build it, doesn't mean they will come. Over capacity was Atlantic Cities downfall, most local government limit the number of liquor licenses allowed to be sold, Atlantic City should have did the same. If the number of casinos was capped at 10 max, and no new casinos could be built without obtaining the license from an older casino it wouldn't have the over developed as it is now.

So what's the future hold? I doubt the casino hotels will remain empty for long. Someone will buy them at a steep discount (without a casino operating in them) and offer hotel rooms at cut-throat prices to fill them, which in turn will force other casinos to cut there hotel rates to compete.
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