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So I guess the hostage taking, airline hijackings, and other assorted bombings don't really count?
everything counts. of course, things that happen 30 years ago in other countries that we shouldn't be in to begin with count differently than recent attacks on American soil. it also needs to be considered who carried out the attacks and who is "suspected" of being involved with no proof given to us except what our government provides. things that we do against other countries count also. I didn't listen to Netanyahu's whole speech but I did listen to clips. he mentioned an attack on a fake boat. that sounds pretty desperate to me. he also mentioned an attack against marines in Beirut, Lebanon about 32 years ago that was carried out by Hezbollah not Iran but that supposedly (and im not saying they didn't but its not their direct action) assisted in some manor by iran. sure, that counts. but we need to put everything in perspective. im not saying iran is good, im just saying that they are clearly being made out to be more than they really are especially when it comes to threats against America. there was nothing really right about our attack on the Taliban. since when do we destroy entire countries killing tens of thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians in order to catch 1 man? supposedly, we pretty much gave them 1 month to hand him over and then we launched a full scale war on their country that lasted more than a decade. it doesn't really sound like the truth to me. at least in hindsight we should acknowledge that its kind of weird to destroy a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 to catch 1 guy. we also can acknowledge that we probably would have killed that 1 man faster had we not started the war.
i think that post is long enough so ill stop there but i can give another story on the Iraq bs.
You forgot the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Democratic Republic of Germany on the US side. Sometimes we succeed you know.
im not really looking to totally badmouth America. the whole iran thing and looking back on the Afghanistan & Iraq wars does bother me. the American citizens have always wanted to do good but we fail to acknowledge that our government doesn't operate along the citizens' principles. most of our wars and foreign policy is for money, in my opinion. im not a very good conspiracy theorist but i see a lot of things that don't add up and im starting to have a lot of doubts about our actions around the world.
how would we feel if Russia came along and destroyed mexico and Canada for no legitimate reason and put huge military infrastructure and built giant embassy complexes right near our northern and southern border? it seems iran has a good reason to be concerned about America and that they have every right to do something to prevent us from expanding our operations surrounding their country. they say bad stuff about us (which we know they cant really do much) but we also say a lot of bad stuff about them and we have a lot of politicians labeling them "axis of evil" and clearly threatening war. so what are they supposed to do? sit down and take it and hope we don't invade them?
everything counts. of course, things that happen 30 years ago in other countries that we shouldn't be in to begin with count differently than recent attacks on American soil. it also needs to be considered who carried out the attacks and who is "suspected" of being involved with no proof given to us except what our government provides. things that we do against other countries count also. I didn't listen to Netanyahu's whole speech but I did listen to clips. he mentioned an attack on a fake boat. that sounds pretty desperate to me. he also mentioned an attack against marines in Beirut, Lebanon about 32 years ago that was carried out by Hezbollah not Iran but that supposedly (and im not saying they didn't but its not their direct action) assisted in some manor by iran. sure, that counts. but we need to put everything in perspective. im not saying iran is good, im just saying that they are clearly being made out to be more than they really are especially when it comes to threats against America. there was nothing really right about our attack on the Taliban. since when do we destroy entire countries killing tens of thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians in order to catch 1 man? supposedly, we pretty much gave them 1 month to hand him over and then we launched a full scale war on their country that lasted more than a decade. it doesn't really sound like the truth to me. at least in hindsight we should acknowledge that its kind of weird to destroy a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 to catch 1 guy. we also can acknowledge that we probably would have killed that 1 man faster had we not started the war.
i think that post is long enough so ill stop there but i can give another story on the Iraq bs.
I hear what you are saying. At the same time, I fear a country that attacks under the guise of terrorism more than one that attacks as an act of war. They never have to take responsibility for their actions. As nutty as Kim Jong-un is, I fear the bomb more in the hands of Khamenei because North Korea, for all it's faults, acts as a country, not by proxy. If the threat of nuclear attack comes from them, it will be straightforward, and likely diffused before it happens. There is mutual fear. In the hands of a radical Islamic leader, it may come in the form of a suitcase bomb in a major city, with no fear of retribution because 1. they don't have to take responsibility ("It is terrorists, not us!") and 2. the whole crazy "doing god's will" and 70 virgins thing. I'll take wacky Kim over jihadists on a mission from god any day.
everything counts. of course, things that happen 30 years ago in other countries that we shouldn't be in to begin with count differently than recent attacks on American soil. it also needs to be considered who carried out the attacks and who is "suspected" of being involved with no proof given to us except what our government provides. things that we do against other countries count also. I didn't listen to Netanyahu's whole speech but I did listen to clips. he mentioned an attack on a fake boat. that sounds pretty desperate to me. he also mentioned an attack against marines in Beirut, Lebanon about 32 years ago that was carried out by Hezbollah not Iran but that supposedly (and im not saying they didn't but its not their direct action) assisted in some manor by iran. sure, that counts. but we need to put everything in perspective. im not saying iran is good, im just saying that they are clearly being made out to be more than they really are especially when it comes to threats against America. there was nothing really right about our attack on the Taliban. since when do we destroy entire countries killing tens of thousands of soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians in order to catch 1 man? supposedly, we pretty much gave them 1 month to hand him over and then we launched a full scale war on their country that lasted more than a decade. it doesn't really sound like the truth to me. at least in hindsight we should acknowledge that its kind of weird to destroy a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 to catch 1 guy. we also can acknowledge that we probably would have killed that 1 man faster had we not started the war.
i think that post is long enough so ill stop there but i can give another story on the Iraq bs.
I think treating Hezbollah and Iran as separate political entities is a convenient way for Iran to pursue messy political goals without repercussion, and you are accepting it. Hezbollah is financially supported by and receives high level military training from, Iran. Hezbollah has carried out politically convenient assassinations and engaged in a soft takeover of an entire country.
As to Melendez, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy!
I hear what you are saying. At the same time, I fear a country that attacks under the guise of terrorism more than one that attacks as an act of war. They never have to take responsibility for their actions. As nutty as Kim Jong-un is, I fear the bomb more in the hands of Khamenei because North Korea, for all it's faults, acts as a country, not by proxy. If the threat of nuclear attack comes from them, it will be straightforward, and likely diffused before it happens. There is mutual fear. In the hands of a radical Islamic leader, it may come in the form of a suitcase bomb in a major city, with no fear of retribution because 1. they don't have to take responsibility ("It is terrorists, not us!") and 2. the whole crazy "doing god's will" and 70 virgins thing. I'll take wacky Kim over jihadists on a mission from god any day.
im not saying that I want iran to get a nuke. however, our actions are probably one of the things forcing them to get nukes. we have surrounded them on both sides, we call them "the axis of evil" so its pretty obvious that they would want nukes as a deterrent from an invasion by us. as long as we treat them like one of our top enemies, its probably only pushing them to get the bomb. maybe Obama is right that lifting sanctions and improving conditions there is probably better than threatening them and sanctioning them. even if they aren't, clearly iran is a bigger threat to Israel than to America. so let them continue to assassinate Iranian scientists and/or sneakily destroy their facilities (or not sneakily). I don't really see this as our business and im absolutely not willing to support another war just to make American politicians wealthier.
im not saying that I want iran to get a nuke. however, our actions are probably one of the things forcing them to get nukes. we have surrounded them on both sides, we call them "the axis of evil" so its pretty obvious that they would want nukes as a deterrent from an invasion by us. as long as we treat them like one of our top enemies, its probably only pushing them to get the bomb. maybe Obama is right that lifting sanctions and improving conditions there is probably better than threatening them and sanctioning them. even if they aren't, clearly iran is a bigger threat to Israel than to America. so let them continue to assassinate Iranian scientists and/or sneakily destroy their facilities (or not sneakily). I don't really see this as our business and im absolutely not willing to support another war just to make American politicians wealthier.
First the comments in the investment forum and now this! You just want to see my oil investments tank.
I think treating Hezbollah and Iran as separate political entities is a convenient way for Iran to pursue messy political goals without repercussion, and you are accepting it. Hezbollah is financially supported by and receives high level military training from, Iran. Hezbollah has carried out politically convenient assassinations and engaged in a soft takeover of an entire country.
you know what's the difference between America and Hezbollah taking over a country in the middle east? the people of that country actually want them there. I don't particularly find the concept of America really being the evil one particularly appetizing but its becoming more and more clear to me that we are the most guilty of the bunch. also, we have no need to even get involved. America thinks everything is about us. ohhhh no isis is going to destroy America. isn't it obvious that they first have a whole war with the Shiites (which they cant win) to handle first? then don't we realize that even if they did win (which they cant) they still have Israel and then all of Europe before America is at the top of their list? its so weird. the crusaders didn't come from america, they came from Europe. but everything is all about America even though we are thousands of miles away and people don't realize the reason is because self serving politicians want us to believe it.
oh and the whole thing about Iraq developing wmd's aside from being a deliberate lie by the bush administration, Iraq was never even preparing for conflict with America. they were worried about iran (their actual neighbor which they have had wars with and not America thousands of miles away). Iraq provided a check on potential Iranian expansion to the west and what did we do? we destroyed that check and gave iran an opportunity to grow in Iraq. we did that. oh and I don't believe that was an accident. not only did that help create the isis situation but even more recently we were arming Isis! we are playing this game of thrones out there with their lives and its for the trillion dollar military we built up (that we don't need) and everyone wants their piece of that trillion dollars.
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