Trump banners on McMansions in NJ (Elizabeth, Washington: landlords, expenses, businesses)

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD

I heard what she said, and whether or not you fall into that group in reality, you feel insulted either way. That she thinks you must be deplorable if you support his platform. My feelings about Trump have waxed and waned throughout this election, but my support was never stronger than it was after she made that comment. And if she does become president, it is something that will always be in the back of my mind. I didn't vote for Barrack Obama, and I disagree with most of what he stands for, but when he won, he was still my president. I don't know if I can say that about Hillary.

If the Trump supporters you know, fit Hillary's description, maybe you should find new friends. And just curious as to why she threw homophobic into the mix. I mean, I don't believe the other stuff is true, but at least it's debatable, but I don't remember Trump saying anything that could be misconstrued as homophobic. Do you think she just threw it in there to fool the low information voter?

I already said that the Trump supporters I know who fit Hillary's description are primarily my relatives. Fifth and sixth generation NW Bergen County. A few old friends, too, from the same area. Not anyone I can replace with "new".

I don't think Trump is really homophobic. I have no idea, actually. However, he has had conversations with people like Pat Robertson in which he infers that he would consider appointing Supremes who would reverse the gay-marriage decision. He could be BS-ing for votes, but it doesn't matter. Anti-gay people who follow him will hear that he is against gay marriage and strengthen their resolve to get SSM overturned.

This is an interesting article on Steve Roth, the head of Vornado. If you don't want to read the whole thing, scroll down to near the end to the section called "Personal Politics". Roth has a gay son who married his partner. Trump was in attendance. Roth supports Trump, and some people question it.

The article is not to make any sort of statement or argument. I just thought in light of the conversation it would be interesting to you and anyone else who takes the time to read it and also demonstrate that the issues and the individuals can be pretty complex.

[JerseyGirl415]

I think, ironically similar to politicians, Trump needs to say certain things to get support. Unfortunately the GOP has the hardcore evangelical and other super religious conservatives of the South and Midwest who are stuck in prior decades on social issues and won't budge. They still want the overturning of SCOTUS decisions legalizing abortion and gay marriage. He needs to pander to them somehow so he needs to say or do certain things.

But I don't think he's racist or homophobic. I don't think he is xenophobic or Islamophobic either. I really don't. And I also didn't think the "locker room talk" was a big deal. I think it's gross that he and other men do this but they do it nonetheless and he was nothing special doing so. Many men feigning outrage are lying to themselves if they claim they have never spoken like this amongst the guys. It's not right but it's still a thing among many men to talk like this, especially in super masculine and testosterone charged atmospheres.

On another note I'm really sick of the Jesus freaks in this country who just don't get that some progressiveness is good and that their religion and perceived interpretation of the Bible does not get to run the country. It is so frustrating, and Trump knew he had to get these people on his side somehow. I remember back in early summer watching him pander for their support, and those in the media saying he needed it and was struggling with those groups. You need their support though as the Republican nominee as they're a big chunk of (conservative) Republicans. It's a shame that they have such a strong influence over the party and are so extremely conservative but slowly I imagine they will die off and newer generations will become more socially progressive in some aspects. I can only hope at least.

[Informed Info]

Originally Posted by G1..

I gave you the list but as Trump would do , you just don't accept the facts and continue to live in your own little fantasy land.

What I saw, in that article, was:

Although her major initiative, the Clinton health care plan failed...

Not an accomplishment.

....she played a leading role in advocating the creation of the State Children's Health Insurance Program [CHIP], which provides state support for children whose parents cannot provide them with health coverage.

Reality:

By all accounts, the prime mover behind [S]CHIP was the late Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.). He was inspired by a similar Massachusetts program and then enlisted Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) as his partner in the effort.Hillary Clinton is on record having defended her husband for pulling the plug on the initial Kennedy-Hatch effort...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/f...ealth-program/

The Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children’s health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah.....several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.

Clinton role in health program disputed - The Boston Globe

She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses.

She and countless others.

She also played a leading role in creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

As the story goes, Clinton, as first lady, set aside partisan differences to find common ground with DeLay even as he was mercilessly attacking her husband and obstructing his agenda. By the campaign's telling, the pair first worked together on an adoption bill that became law in 1997 and helped thousands of foster children find loving homes. Clinton has been telling the story on the stump for more than a decade now, but it's been especially prominent during this presidential campaign, emphasized repeatedly by the candidate and her surrogates, most notably by her husband Bill, who brought it to prime-time TV during his Democratic National Convention speech last month.

There's just one problem with the story: It isn't accurate. Over the years, the tale of Tom and Hillary has grown in mythic proportions, as Bill and others have conflated dates and confused events in a way that makes a better story but vastly overstates the relationship between DeLay and Hillary Clinton. "I don't remember ever working with her" on that bill, DeLay told Mother Jones.....his recollection about the foster care work is backed up by legislative and White House records, video archives, and confirmed by several people involved with the bill. The Clinton campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

There's a Big Problem With One of Hillary Clinton's Favorite Campaign Stories | Mother Jones

What Hillary Clinton

She encouraged older women to seek a mammogram for early detection of breast cancer

How is this an accomplishment? It was spearheaded by the National Cancer Institute.

Supporting and advocating along with many other folks who are doing the same, is not a personal "accomplishment".

Same with the remaining "accomplishments" from that source you cited...

Hillary has accomplished a lot in her life:

College.
Law School.
Lawyer.
Prosector.
Mother.
First Lady.
Senator of NY.
Secretary of State.
Candidate for POTUS.

That's quite a list of personal accomplishments anyone should be proud of...yet they serve no one other than herself.

Originally Posted by G1..

What has Trump done,what laws has Trump passed,what bills has he voted on ?What budgets has he come up with so I know he can run a country?What taxes does he pay so I know he can understand my problems?
You jr need to read the link again.

Why would you ask what Trump has done with respect to "laws passed" or "bills voted on" when he hasn't been a gov't shill? What bills/budgets/laws did Obama/Clinton do before they were politicians?

What budgets have the past few POTUSs or your local/state government persons "come up with" so "you know" they can run a municipality/state/country?

What taxes does Trump pay?

All of them. When legally required to.

What taxes does Hillary pay?

Hopefully all of them. When legally required to. Yet her effective tax rate was LESS than mine in 2015.

Hillary Clinton's 2015 tax return shows $10.6 million in income, 31% rate -- and puts pressure on Donald Trump - Aug. 12, 2016


Almost forgot: Sonny? You need to watch who you are calling "Jr".

[Informed Info]

Originally Posted by Retriever

Yup!





I have a policy of never voting for a candidate who is endorsed by The KKK.

The KKK?

Gotta dig deep for that excuse....

[Mightyqueen801]

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Originally Posted by JerseyGirl415

I think, ironically similar to politicians, Trump needs to say certain things to get support. Unfortunately the GOP has the hardcore evangelical and other super religious conservatives of the South and Midwest who are stuck in prior decades on social issues and won't budge. They still want the overturning of SCOTUS decisions legalizing abortion and gay marriage. He needs to pander to them somehow so he needs to say or do certain things.

But I don't think he's racist or homophobic. I don't think he is xenophobic or Islamophobic either. I really don't. And I also didn't think the "locker room talk" was a big deal. I think it's gross that he and other men do this but they do it nonetheless and he was nothing special doing so. Many men feigning outrage are lying to themselves if they claim they have never spoken like this amongst the guys. It's not right but it's still a thing among many men to talk like this, especially in super masculine and testosterone charged atmospheres.

On another note I'm really sick of the Jesus freaks in this country who just don't get that some progressiveness is good and that their religion and perceived interpretation of the Bible does not get to run the country. It is so frustrating, and Trump knew he had to get these people on his side somehow. I remember back in early summer watching him pander for their support, and those in the media saying he needed it and was struggling with those groups. You need their support though as the Republican nominee as they're a big chunk of (conservative) Republicans. It's a shame that they have such a strong influence over the party and are so extremely conservative but slowly I imagine they will die off and newer generations will become more socially progressive in some aspects. I can only hope at least.

Yes. I think there will always be some of those types--some of the relatives to whom I referred earlier are my cousin's children, who are men in their 30s. Their wives don't work--they would not be "allowed" to. They still make stupid remarks about the Indians who've had the convenience store and the gas station for 20 years now. On the rare occasions when they have to encounter my black brother-in-law, their discomfort as they pretend to be polite is almost comical. They still talk about how the Catholics have it all wrong. But as my friend said, for many, this is a last stand, a dying attempt to hold onto a society that has already slipped away.

[vision33r]

How can Trump be homophobic? The guy is a liberal not a real Republican. He has the support of an openly gay silicon valley VC name Peter Thiel who founded Paypal.

Like he said, ignoring some of Trump's imperfections the man knows how to run businesses. Unlike Hillary, her only business is taking in bribes for favors.

[Retriever]

Originally Posted by vision33r

ignoring some of Trump's imperfections the man knows how to run businesses.

Yup!
Like...Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump casinos, Trump Airlines, Trump "University"...

[DannyHobkins]

Hillary attacks have been pathetic against Trump. Her commercials never discuss her accomplishments because she has zero.

The KKK - This is a low blow to Trump because he has zero affiliation to to them. Clinton on the other hand has accepted a $20k donation from David Duke in 2016 and was endorsed by him. She was also greats friends with the late Robert Byrd (KKK Grand Wizard), and called him a "Friend and Mentor" at his funeral.

Making fun of disabled - this is another lie running in the Hillary commercials, Trump was mocking someone who was disabled. Its been proven 100% that he was not as he made the same moves showing a flustered Ted Cruz and using the same movement showing flustered people in other videos. However the lie works to low information people.

[DannyHobkins]

Originally Posted by vision33r

How can Trump be homophobic? The guy is a liberal not a real Republican. He has the support of an openly gay silicon valley VC name Peter Thiel who founded Paypal.

Like he said, ignoring some of Trump's imperfections the man knows how to run businesses. Unlike Hillary, her only business is taking in bribes for favors.

Hes not homophobic. Its another lie made up by a liar. Hillary on the other hand is a homophobe as she stated many times she is against gay marriage.

[vision33r]

Originally Posted by Retriever

Yup!
Like...Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump casinos, Trump Airlines, Trump "University"...

The guy made his money through Real estate like many investors today. It's very hard to be successful today in many businesses other than tech, financials, and real estate.

If you ran or started a business before, it takes courage to keep trying different ventures even if it means failure.

Even if Trump doesn't win he has a new hotel that his kids are running.

How about the Clintons? Even Chelsea Clinton blew the whistle on her parent's Clinton Foundation that they've only paid out 8% to charities what the Foundation has received from donors.

That's why it's been under investigation for so long but the FBI could never proceed because the leaders in charge keeps helping her. Also the reason Hillary needs to stay in office to keep their business in away from investigation.