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I guess you did @@ You could do a google search yourself if you are that curious - Heck there is even a radical anti - public education website that quotes founding fathers as being in favor of accessible public education.
This test is useless, imo. I have a 4th grader, straight A student, who comes in slightly above average on these tests. So, what does that tell me? FWIW, some of the teachers in our school told me they "teach to the test."
This test is useless, imo. I have a 4th grader, straight A student, who comes in slightly above average on these tests. So, what does that tell me? FWIW, some of the teachers in our school told me they "teach to the test."
and on the other end of the spectrum, i have a son who receives special help, and comes out advanced (or did in 3rd grade at least). and it's a shame that special needs students have to take the test and it's held against the school if they don't make the grade.
This test is useless, imo. I have a 4th grader, straight A student, who comes in slightly above average on these tests. So, what does that tell me? FWIW, some of the teachers in our school told me they "teach to the test."
it could tell you that your school hands out A's too easily
This test is useless, imo. I have a 4th grader, straight A student, who comes in slightly above average on these tests. So, what does that tell me? FWIW, some of the teachers in our school told me they "teach to the test."
I totally agree. My son is in 4th grade as well and is an A/B student. While attending the 2nd grade in another school district he had to take the Terra Nova Exam and ranked "extremely high" in the district, grade, and nationally but when he took the NJ Ask last year in 3rd, he did just average. I do realize that they are both different tests and measure different skills however I was very surprised to see such a large difference in test results. Both his teacher from last year and this year have both commented that they "have to" teach for the NJ Ask, as it's scores have a large reflection on their performance as teachers. I know they didn't personally agree with so much emphasis on that one exam, and preferred to spend more time teaching the basics which they will remember for life...not just short term comprehension which they will purge once given the exam. I am torn on this matter and have had many heated discussions with friends on how best to "test" student knowledge, teacher skill, and good schools and have never come out with an exact best answer.
I'm not wasting my time barraging you with a bunch of links...If you are truly interesting in this you'll look it up yourself; I gave you the methodology. If you are looking to get into a meta-debate with me well I didn't post this to engage in a back/forth regarding something this rudimentary. If you really are not aware that our founding fathers advocated for accessible public education, then too much time would need to be spent breaking it down. I have a hard time believing that you are that naive though.
I remember those tests! Even the kids that were practically failing our class scored well on those. I remember in being very young in elementary school & taking my results home & saying see according to this I'm supposed to be like a senior in high school!
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speaking of going off topic, do you remember the CAT (California Achievement Test)? or did you catholic school kids not have to take it?
I'm not wasting my time barraging you with a bunch of links...If you are truly interesting in this you'll look it up yourself; I gave you the methodology. If you are looking to get into a meta-debate with me well I didn't post this to engage in a back/forth regarding something this rudimentary. If you really are not aware that our founding fathers advocated for accessible public education, then too much time would need to be spent breaking it down. I have a hard time believing that you are that naive though.
I know how to google, you made a statement I challenged you to back your statement up by posting a source of your info, obviously you cannot provide any sources, the reason you cannot provide even one source is because it is an asinine statement
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