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I stand by my statement; do you sit here and ask people to prove things that are commonly known facts just to get a reaction? If you don't believe me look it up; I don't have time for this garbage. If for some reason you are really that uneducated as to doubt the veracity of my original statement, I especially don't have time to engage you. If I cared I'd hope for your sake that you are just trying to be antagonistic.
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Originally Posted by apvbguy
I know how to google, you made a statement I challenged you to back your statement up by posting a source of your info, obviously you cannot provide any sources, the reason you cannot provide even one source is because it is an asinine statement
I stand by my statement; do you sit here and ask people to prove things that are commonly known facts just to get a reaction? If you don't believe me look it up; I don't have time for this garbage. If for some reason you are really that uneducated as to doubt the veracity of my original statement, I especially don't have time to engage you. If I cared I'd hope for your sake that you are just trying to be antagonistic.
you spent more effort to post this nonsense so you could have the last word than you would have if you tried to defend your inaccurate statement.
I'll give you the last foolish word
and on the other end of the spectrum, i have a son who receives special help, and comes out advanced (or did in 3rd grade at least). and it's a shame that special needs students have to take the test and it's held against the school if they don't make the grade.
OK, Teacher an the board. I've yet to meet a teacher that likes these tests. I just got out of a meeting this afternoon about it. We joked more about the instructions on what to do if I child pukes on it...btw, we have to save the test even if it is covered in bio-hazard (no joke)...and what to do if there is a fire drill. The state takes this very seriously because of NCLB.
Tahiti...I'm a 3rd grade Special Ed teacher and I can't agree with you more. It is ridiculous that my students have to sit through this test, stress over it (although not because of me but because it is frustrating to be made to try to do something you want to do but can't). My kids WANT to "pass" the test but most do not read better than a 1st grade level and we are not allowed to read the passages to them. We can read the question but not the story. So they beg, sometimes cry telling me they can't read it. It breaks my heart and then to add insult to injury the state for the purpose of NCLB holds their scores against the school.
So whether you have kids or not, be aware of what this wonderful No Child Left Behind is doing. I do believe that standardized tests can be useful but only to a degree as with anything. 2 years ago one of the questions on the 5th Grade NJ ASK had to do with the Stock Market. There were terms used that maybe kids in Millburn, Livingston etc. might be familiar with but my kids in Elizabeth had no clue. They were pretty smart kids too but that wasn't something the curriculum exposed them to and they certainly hadn't heard this at home. I finally understood how standardized tests could be considered discrimatory...even at the 5th grade level.
Former teacher here and I can't agree with you more. I have yet to meet a teacher that isn't MORE peeved than parents about these tests. It is a waste of time, we know that. It is a waste of money. It is just a waste.
It means nothing, we know that. Sadly, though, too many parents get the results and suddenly want Johnny in Gifted. That is another post.
You can thank the lovely administration and their bright idea of NCLB. It has done more damage than good to our educational system.
Former teacher here and I can't agree with you more. I have yet to meet a teacher that isn't MORE peeved than parents about these tests. It is a waste of time, we know that. It is a waste of money. It is just a waste.
It means nothing, we know that. Sadly, though, too many parents get the results and suddenly want Johnny in Gifted. That is another post.
You can thank the lovely administration and their bright idea of NCLB. It has done more damage than good to our educational system.
and what would your solution to poor performance by many school districts be? and how would you combat social promotions and the many other ills found in many public schools?
The test not only measures students it measures teachers and administrations.
maybe if the staffs of the schools focused on basic education all of the time they wouldn't find themselves spending so much time teaching for the test, they wouldn' have to.
instead of wasting time on whatever the social mood of the day is the schools should stick to teaching the basic skills and a big part of the problems you're complaining about would go away.
1-6 graders do not need to learn why johnny has two mommies and tanikua doesn't need instruction on how to use a condom!
Now this might sound crass but when you mainstream the special needs kids, they are mainstreamed and are expected to perform like the "normal" kids, you can't have it both ways, either segregate the special needs kids or don't complain about them being treated equally, sorry to be so blunt because it isn't the kids fault that they're in this predicament, it's the fault of the looney PC crowd that insists that the kids with special needs be mainstreamed.
And y'all wonder why those of us who have the resources to escape the government school system use private schools. No private school my kids attended never had so much trouble with these tests like the NJEA flunkies do
and what would your solution to poor performance by many school districts be? and how would you combat social promotions and the many other ills found in many public schools?
The test not only measures students it measures teachers and administrations.
maybe if the staffs of the schools focused on basic education all of the time they wouldn't find themselves spending so much time teaching for the test, they wouldn' have to.
instead of wasting time on whatever the social mood of the day is the schools should stick to teaching the basic skills and a big part of the problems you're complaining about would go away.
1-6 graders do not need to learn why johnny has two mommies and tanikua doesn't need instruction on how to use a condom!
Now this might sound crass but when you mainstream the special needs kids, they are mainstreamed and are expected to perform like the "normal" kids, you can't have it both ways, either segregate the special needs kids or don't complain about them being treated equally, sorry to be so blunt because it isn't the kids fault that they're in this predicament, it's the fault of the looney PC crowd that insists that the kids with special needs be mainstreamed.
And y'all wonder why those of us who have the resources to escape the government school system use private schools. No private school my kids attended never had so much trouble with these tests like the NJEA flunkies do
LOL - it's obvious this person doesn't have a child in the public schools, a flipping clue about this test, and it's scope and ramifications *at all* (his special needs comment said it all). And, if it were a democratic president who instituted it, he'd consider it the worst thing since welfare.
Seriously, there is a reason why the right to an education was something viewed to be so important by our founding fathers. By not ensuring that the next generation is well educated we are impeding societal progress and the last time I checked we were all members of society. FTR I don't have children either, but I get why it is important and beneficial to ME that the next generation be enabled to become contributing, taxpaying members of society.
Yeah, let's all be socialists!
Now where's that gun-shooting smilie?
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