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Old 03-16-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Jersey Shore
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So, how does everyone here feel about geese, deer and bears?
Should we let them live amongst us?
Should we be able to get rid of them in any form possible?
Is there one that is more troublesome than the others?
Is there one, or more, that is detrimental to our health?
Could soup kitchens and food pantries benefit from the slaughter of any of these animals?
Are any of these animals to blame for the dead real estate market?

I will give my opinions...
Growing up in a city I never had to cross paths with any of these animals. Ever since moving down to Ocean County and living part on the shore and part in the pine barrens I have seen two of the three (geese and deer) on a daily basis. I believe that geese are nothing but a dirty animal. IMO, there should be a mass slaughter of these animals and they should be fed to the homeless. I also believe the same about deer. They are like mosquitos, except they can end up killing you in a car accident and they are better in a pot with potatoes and carrots. Again, a mass slaughter where the food goes to the homeless. As for bears...I have never encountered one. From what I have been told by some it is the property owner who should do a better job at keeping them away from their homes. Better locking garbage pails. Cleaner properties. No food scraps at all that the bear can detect.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:07 PM
 
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I don't believe in the "mass slaughter" of any animal. I do, however, believe in hunting as a means of wildlife management.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:32 AM
 
Location: UWS -- Lucky Me!
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Wait!

Who moved into whose territory? I think someone has dibs over you, fischfan. You may have a point with the geese, though, as they migrate and don't really settle in.

I grew up in Monmouth County in the '50s and '60s, and I never once saw a feral deer or bear. There were still plenty of forested areas for habitat, so they weren't forced to go foraging in people's garbage cans. That should be an argument for more controlled development of the suburbs -- keeping areas undeveloped for the deer and bears to separate them from people. I find the whole idea of hunting repugnant, but as a means to control herd population, I find myself reluctantly nodding okay.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:09 AM
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Location: Florida
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I'm okay with the control of herd population IF every piece of the animal that can be used (whether it's by the hunter, or given away) - is used.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:11 AM
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Location: Florida
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Wait!

Who moved into whose territory? I think someone has dibs over you, fischfan. You may have a point with the geese, though, as they migrate and don't really settle in.

I grew up in Monmouth County in the '50s and '60s, and I never once saw a feral deer or bear. There were still plenty of forested areas for habitat, so they weren't forced to go foraging in people's garbage cans. That should be an argument for more controlled development of the suburbs -- keeping areas undeveloped for the deer and bears to separate them from people. I find the whole idea of hunting repugnant, but as a means to control herd population, I find myself reluctantly nodding okay.
I definitely agree. One of the reasons I'm a huge advocate for protected lands/parks.

Maybe those animals are more intelligent than we humans are lead to believe and they're thinking that we need to be hunted as a means of control, too (and that we're horrible animals...).
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:49 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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Hey fischfan, wait to the fanatics from PETA read this thread. They will be spray painting your car and the other dumb methods of getting their point of view across.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:08 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Kind of funny that a majority of NJ is against a bear hunt... Except in NW Jersey where bears actually live, a majority would love a hunt. The rest of NJ definitely needs bears.

Im all for bears IF they stop removing stray bears back into NW Jersey as they spread South and East. If they are good enough for NW Jersey, the rest of you can deal with them too.

And is one sense we are not infringing and forcing them out. They were here 200 years ago but were largely gone until 1900-1980ish when they started spreading in again. There were zero bears any where near where I live when the house was built. We sure have them now.

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Old 03-17-2008, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Atlantic Highlands NJ/Ponte Vedra FL/NYC
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Wait!

Who moved into whose territory? I think someone has dibs over you, fischfan. You may have a point with the geese, though, as they migrate and don't really settle in.
therein lies the problem, there are many native geese that do not migrate and many of the ones that should be migrating are not, they are staying and the geese population has exploded causing problems like being a health hazard. For example geese take over a soccer field, poop all over it, the kids play on the polluted field, handle the ball, now their hands are contaminated, and you can figure out the rest.
Deer are over populated and are real danger to all of us, bears are becoming a big nuisance in northern NJ and the few bears in monmouth while usually sticking to the woods are becoming more of a problem.
I don't know what you mean when you say we moved into their territory, should we retreat and give land back to the wild life?
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:37 AM
 
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So, how does everyone here feel about geese, deer and bears?
Growing up in a city I never had to cross paths with any of these animals.
No, but I bet you dealt with those dirty disgusting and annoying pigeons..... What did you expect when you moved to a more suburban area?? You forgot about the seagulls,
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Stewartsville, NJ
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I feel the same way - about people migrating to NJ from NYC : )) Throwing trash out their car windows...leaving their picnic garbage in our parks....speeding down our highways! Should we mass slaughter them as well : )))) I support the right to arm bears! The geese are the biggest pests but it's temporary. They come and go so I don't mind having them around for a while...just have to dodge the piles of poop! After all, we invaded their space not the other way around. And bears, they don't bother you as much as people think. I rarely catch a glimpse of one out here in the country because they have their space - hid in the woods.
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