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Why?
Because certain fractions have portrayed sanctuary cities as some hotbed of crime caused by illegal immigration? Does anyone take the time to follow through?
Usually being a sanctuary city only means that the state law agencies will not give the ICE immigration status information on anyone they arrest.
Most fact-check studies have shown that sanctuary cities are no more dangerous than non sanctuary cities.
According to public data from ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) large sanctuary cities did NOT see any increase in any type of crime.
Now I can link dozens of studies from various publications but I know you are going to say "I don't trust"
Washington Post
Fact check. org
dailybeast
times
Heck even the study Jeff Sessions used wrongly
all state that.
Simply google
So my question is what do you think happens if a city becomes a sanctuary city?
Edited to add. the justice department just lost a huge ruling from the city of Philadelphia (yea Philly). the city sued the JD and Jeff Sessions, saying that they could not withhold federal funded grants due to the city because they are a sanctuary city. The JD had no proof that the city was protecting or offering sanctuary to illegal criminals and the city has complied with all the conditions of the grant.
When did breaking the Law become legal.Many people have come into this country legally ,are the ones breaking the law special. Try this in other countries and see how long you last. How is this going to improve NJ? You might not agree but I still want my money if you hit PB
When did breaking the Law become legal.Many people have come into this country legally ,are the ones breaking the law special. Try this in other countries and see how long you last. How is this going to improve NJ? You might not agree but I still want my money if you hit PB
lol
I tried to rep you again but it wouldn't let me.
You are right that illegal immigration is well illegal but that's not what the fearmongers are using the argument for. Kim Guadango specifically ran ads contributing to that fear. how often was that commercial about the guy who shot 3 kids run? not that it wasn't horrible but the why did we not see similar ads concerning the white guy who shot up a church or any of the other countless crimes done by good ole fashion Americans. I guess if you're killed in NJ by a white guy from somerset county that's preferable?
It was the same ploy GB used in the presidental race when he ran ads saying pardon prisioners= rape and murder.
Now the argument for whether it helps or hurts the economy, has been long running. Ask the folks in SJ who own the cranberry bogs and south Jersey farmers and they will tell you that they would not survive without the illegal.
I have family members who are restaurant owners who will say, every one wants that cheap meal and a 12/hr minimum wage. not going to happen.
Then of course there is the argument that they get all these free stuff. I have not investigated how much the illegal immigration situation cost our social services.
Now I have lived in Portugal for almost 10 years, they struggle with illegal immigration and refugees just like us. it's been over 30 years but when I was there they were mainly Africans crossing over from Morroco and Libyans trying to escape the political climate.
Some reason Americans have this illusion of other countries beheading illegals or some such silliness. I can't speak to Asia, not sure how many folks are trying to get into China or N. Korea. way to much unrest but Europe struggles with the issue probably more so than the US since they are so connected and an easy hop from Africa, India and other parts of the world.
So once again, what exactly is the fear around sanctuary cities. It's the total false attempt to paint illegals as huge murders and a major cause of crime
No you inferred that both caps were gone or you did not know there were 2 caps.
The arbitration cap can be ended and property taxes do not have to increase
Yes, I did know that.
I do have to apologize; not every town is like the one in which I live. I know my town council and how it operates given the past 40+ years (minimum). Give an inch? Lift a cap? They will take full advantage & property taxes will increase.
In the past, when a BOE budget didn't get voter approval? The BOE has appealed to the state & then a second vote is scheduled, which is barely "advertised" or has limited hours given to vote.
Hopefully not every town operates in the same way.
Why?
Because certain fractions have portrayed sanctuary cities as some hotbed of crime caused by illegal immigration? Does anyone take the time to follow through?
Usually being a sanctuary city only means that the state law agencies will not give the ICE immigration status information on anyone they arrest.
Most fact-check studies have shown that sanctuary cities are no more dangerous than non sanctuary cities.
According to public data from ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) large sanctuary cities did NOT see any increase in any type of crime.
Now I can link dozens of studies from various publications but I know you are going to say "I don't trust"
Washington Post
Fact check. org
dailybeast
times
Heck even the study Jeff Sessions used wrongly
all state that.
Simply google
So my question is what do you think happens if a city becomes a sanctuary city?
Edited to add. the justice department just lost a huge ruling from the city of Philadelphia (yea Philly). the city sued the JD and Jeff Sessions, saying that they could not withhold federal funded grants due to the city because they are a sanctuary city. The JD had no proof that the city was protecting or offering sanctuary to illegal criminals and the city has complied with all the conditions of the grant.
Look, Murphy won, he will declare NJ as a sanctuary state, our population will increase and time will tell if that is good for NJ in the long run or not, financially speaking.
It won't really affect me personally other than me possibly giving into the temptation of having my home remodeled with cheaper-than-local labor. I always hired local in the past.
Look, Murphy won, he will declare NJ as a sanctuary state, our population will increase and time will tell if that is good for NJ in the long run or not, financially speaking.
It won't really affect me personally other than me possibly giving into the temptation of having my home remodeled with cheaper-than-local labor. I always hired local in the past.
Yup he did and he didn't lie about what needs to be done so that says a lot.People have always left NJ and people have always moved to NJ,it's be going on for a while.People who want to blame Murphy for it are just fear mongering.
Look, Murphy won, he will declare NJ as a sanctuary state, our population will increase and time will tell if that is good for NJ in the long run or not, financially speaking.
It won't really affect me personally other than me possibly giving into the temptation of having my home remodeled with cheaper-than-local labor. I always hired local in the past.
Cheaper does not mean a better or equally job. Quality is the key as this will last longer and cost less in the long run. The most important thing to do is find reviews on the people who are going to work on your house. I am a carpenter of 40 years and doing roofing is long past for me. I did not use the cheapest or the most expensive. I went with the Best reviews and some one local. I used Biondo roofing. Wow what a great job they did and it was worth every cent, very professional and answered every question without delay or have to wait until the boss showed up as he was the only one who could speak English . This is not a knock on minorities as they are hard working people but are usually not trained and schooled as the local guys are .
G1..;50162924]Yup he did and he didn't lie about what needs to be done so that says a lot.People have always left NJ and people have always moved to NJ,it's be going on for a while.People who want to blame Murphy for it are just fear mongering.
I think him officially turning NJ into a sanctuary state will not be a plus for NJ for the long run when I think of what's happened to public schools and hospitals, as examples, in CA.
I think some here like the idea of NJ being the CA of the east coast. We can't. We don't have their economy.
I don't think those needing to seek sanctuary are going to be the most educated or highly skilled, other than laborers, restaurant help and so on. Does NJ need that many more?
Why don't our politicians do something to draw young professionals from other cities across the US?
Why don't they enact growth policies to make them view NJ as a sanctuary from where they now reside (e.g. Atlanta, Raleigh, Pittsburgh, Chicago...........)?
As tom1944 pointed out, none of the growth we're experiencing is from other states.
I think him officially turning NJ into a sanctuary state will not be a plus for NJ for the long run when I think of what's happened to public schools and hospitals, as examples, in CA.
I think some here like the idea of NJ being the CA of the east coast. We can't. We don't have their economy.
I don't think those needing to seek sanctuary are going to be the most educated or highly skilled, other than laborers, restaurant help and so on. Does NJ need that many more?
Why don't our politicians do something to draw young professionals from other cities across the US?
Why don't they enact growth policies to make them view NJ as a sanctuary from where they now reside (e.g. Atlanta, Raleigh, Pittsburgh, Chicago...........)?
As tom1944 pointed out, none of the growth we're experiencing is from other states.
Truthfully Tom, I don't think NJ would want the things that would draw young professionals.
There isn't really any large metropolis in NJ.
Young adults are well young adults, they don't want suburban living with a sfh and 2 acres until they get married and start a family,
They don't want chain restaurants and malls.
For example you mentioned Atlanta. I absolutely love Atlanta but it's hip, it's got the bars, the clubs, the shopping (not a mall), the museums etc etc
Have you been to Northern Liberties in Philadelphia. lol, average age 30. that's what young professionals want.
Now you are right, about the transplants moving into NJ but if I'm an IT specialist making 150K (my nephew) what industry is there in NJ that would lure me there??
My sons born and raised in South Jersey. got the heck outta dodge as soon as they could. They love Washington township but there simply isn't any thing for them to do, not compared to Philly. now of course they'll probably change their tune when they start having kids etc, etc but as young professionals??
I went to the University of Pittsburgh, I give them 1000 kudos, when the steel industry went down the toilet that city was devastated but the city officials instead of concentrating on how to revive the steel industry they concentrated on bringing multi various industries into the city. It's fabulous, I go back for homecomings and t hings like that and it's barely recognizable from the 70's. NJ cannot do that.
I laugh at all the little coal mining towns in Pa that are sitting around waiting for some savior to bring them back to life. they're a decade or maybe a little more from extinction, if you don't change with the times you die.
Yup he did and he didn't lie about what needs to be done so that says a lot.People have always left NJ and people have always moved to NJ,it's be going on for a while.People who want to blame Murphy for it are just fear mongering.
threatening to leave Nj does not constitute fear mongering. The ironclad fear and hate monegring patent is held exclusively by the democrats.
It is incomprehensible that a governor would legislate the state to not cooperate with federal agencies. Especially after 911, when we all had to collect dusty old documents just to get a driver license, all because we were told it would make us safer.
The 911 commission found that one of our critical weakneses was failure of law enforcement agencies to share information. Now we have an blithering socialist telling us the 911 commission and recomended changes are nonsense ????
Fear mongering constitutes telling people the federal government will come and get you and drag you off. Fear mongering constitutes telling the people who are concerned for their safety to go pound salt which raises their level of anxiety.
Odd how some segments of the population expressing hypersensitivity worthy of medical intervention are held up as aprimary concern while other folks who have real concerns are not only ingmored but mocked.
eliza- you are correct. The areas around NJ that see growth and young people are the areas like Hoboken and downtown JC that are seen as alternatives to the boroughs of Manhattan.
If mass transit is improved and the NYC market stays hot we could see that are expand to the PATH line in Harrison and Newark but the perception of safety and entertainment needs to improve
In the Philadelphia area Camden could be an alternative but reputation and the Philly cost does not push people to venture outside the city like NYC does
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