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Old 01-14-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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So long as liberals love raising taxes to pay for those who pay ZERO taxes NJ is doomed
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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Although the Governor, whoever it is, plays a role in the direction of the state, New Jersey needs to stop electing people like Sweeney, Menendez, and all the other career politicians in Trenton (Both Republican and Democrat). They have overseen the corruption and other BS that has plagued NJ for decades. Elect new leaders who aren't part of the old guard on both sides and start giving a crap about NJ citizens. Start with that, and for the love of God, we cannot TAX our way out of this mess!
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Default NJ is now spinning out of control and that is democrats version of a turnaround.

NJ will never, in any posters lifetime, turn around..... turn around meaning, reduced taxes to a livable standard, elimination of legal and illegal corruption, fraud, waste, inefficiency and Newark status returning to 'the jewel of NJ'.


To ask, no demand, 'a turn around' from Nj legislators and voters will get you the same thing the nebulous phrase, Hope and change' delivered. Some theoretical bumper sticker proclamations and formation of endless committees which translates to absolutely no serious attempt to ensure NJ's place of, first, on lists of best places and last, on lists of worst places.


Democrats have controlled Newark since the 1940s, think there was one independent in there somewhere.


Is it the elected legislators or the voters that are the problem???


clearly the legislator's boss, the voters!


NJ is now spinning out of control and that is democrats version of a turnaround.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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Turn around? Isnt NJ one of the most educated and built up states with low gun violence and crime rates? My perception is its just behind states like Massachusetts and Washington in terms of prosperity?

I could be wrong, but it seems NJ is doing pretty good so far besides the pockets of crimey grimey cities like Camden, Passaic and Newark.

the grimey parts need to be exiled to the poconos. I was in camden a year ago. I was walking across the ben franklin bridge. I saw a parking on the water in camden. A freaking parking lot. That whole riverfront in camden should be hoboken! totally wasted potential. Unfortunately, camden's prosperity is tied to philadelphia. but camden has the universities to start the gentrification.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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That whole riverfront in camden should be hoboken! totally wasted potential. Unfortunately, camden's prosperity is tied to philadelphia.

Philly only bottomed out in terms of population (and economy) about 10-15 years ago. NYC was more like 30 years ago. Philly is 15-20 years behind in terms of gentrification.


Camden's probably got about another decade before Philly's growth will start exerting that much positive pressure on it.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Although the Governor, whoever it is, plays a role in the direction of the state, New Jersey needs to stop electing people like Sweeney, Menendez, and all the other career politicians in Trenton (Both Republican and Democrat). They have overseen the corruption and other BS that has plagued NJ for decades. Elect new leaders who aren't part of the old guard on both sides and start giving a crap about NJ citizens. Start with that, and for the love of God, we cannot TAX our way out of this mess!
You've summed it up quite accurately.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:24 AM
 
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Turn around? Isnt NJ one of the most educated and built up states with low gun violence and crime rates? My perception is its just behind states like Massachusetts and Washington in terms of prosperity?

I could be wrong, but it seems NJ is doing pretty good so far besides the pockets of crimey grimey cities like Camden, Passaic and Newark.
All states have neighborhoods with highly educated citizens, low crime, etc. and neighborhoods with deplorable schools, high crime etc.

We're no different.

For many in this state the tax load alone makes a difference in their quality of life, much less discretionary income and so on.

The question is are we really getting the type of governance we're paying for in terms of quality?

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Old 01-17-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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The question is are we really getting the type of governance we're paying for in terms of quality?
This is nothing more than a case of "Where you stand depends on where you sit." We love our house, we love the township that we live in, and we love the schools our children attend, so we don't complain. If you don't feel the same way about where you're living (no matter where that may be in NJ or elsewhere) you're going to feel differently.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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Philly only bottomed out in terms of population (and economy) about 10-15 years ago. NYC was more like 30 years ago. Philly is 15-20 years behind in terms of gentrification.


Camden's probably got about another decade before Philly's growth will start exerting that much positive pressure on it.
You can't compare NYC and Philly and their surrounding neighbors. The only reason places like Hoboken and Jersey City took off were because there was an overwhelming demand for real estate in NYC and people got priced out. So people started venturing out into other convenient places like Hoboken and JC.

The same effect is never going to happen to Camden. Philly is a blue collar, generally inexpensive, working class city. I have a friend that used to live in a brownstone in downtown Philly and was paying around $1500/month for a 1BR. That's about 1/2 of what you would pay for something similar in NYC. The point is, people don't need to venture out to Camden because Philly itself is so affordable, and I don't see that changing even if they attract new jobs. To take it a step further, Camden is bad. Like really bad. One of the worst cities in all of America. Hoboken and JC were not nearly that bad when they began to gentrify. At least they started out as livable places. You can't say the same for Camden, and likely never will.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:22 AM
 
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NJ will never, in any posters lifetime, turn around..... turn around meaning, reduced taxes to a livable standard, elimination of legal and illegal corruption, fraud, waste, inefficiency and Newark status returning to 'the jewel of NJ'.


To ask, no demand, 'a turn around' from Nj legislators and voters will get you the same thing the nebulous phrase, Hope and change' delivered. Some theoretical bumper sticker proclamations and formation of endless committees which translates to absolutely no serious attempt to ensure NJ's place of, first, on lists of best places and last, on lists of worst places.


Democrats have controlled Newark since the 1940s, think there was one independent in there somewhere.


Is it the elected legislators or the voters that are the problem???


clearly the legislator's boss, the voters!


NJ is now spinning out of control and that is democrats version of a turnaround.

Sad but very true, there‚Äôs no way to turn this thing around, the swamp political system here has a deep rooted strong hold and as more of the residents that contribute to the working class leave while other needy ones enter, it will continue to decline exponentially❗️
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