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Old 01-19-2019, 11:16 PM
 
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New Jersey decided to be a far left, one party state, just like California. They deserve whatever they get. It is exactly what a large amount of people want it to be. Aren't very high taxes, and a very high cost of living worth it to be Progressive?
Not really. The election of 2017 had almost no one turn out. Murphy bought himself the nomination, and any donkey would win post Christie

In 2018 we had the ANTI TRUMP factor/SALT issue.

NJ is still a purple state as the local/state level. Presidential level blue for obvious reasons.

Even the dems elected from NJ to the House are expected to be moderates or blue dogs (but they are turning out to be extremists).

Almost no one in NJ is a progressive. Center right/Center left people... progressives are alt-left.
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:21 PM
 
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Most of the country opposes the wall. Wall is stupid there is much higher tech devices that will be much affective than a wall.
enough childishness. All of those are secondary. Honestly do you know anything when it comes to the border? Do you listen to the CBP at all?

People have lost their minds with Trump hatred

Wall---> Drones-----> Detention-----> Deportation

When democrats oppose 3 out of the 4 steps above at the border... how the hell do you expect to reduce border crossings?

When the same group of donkeys built a damn fence as needed in 2006... border crossings fell in certain areas by 95%. 95% ****ING PERCENT. Holy *****

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Old 01-19-2019, 11:25 PM
 
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Trump said over 200 times the wall was going to cost zero because Mexico is going to pay for it. When Mexico 'cuts the check', Trump can build the wall.
again more childishness

when nutjobs like Pelosi have the same attitude you have ... this country cant move forward

Obama built fences via the "secure the fence act."

Hatred of Trump's personality should not blind you from reality.

Please wake up, and grow up.

Get the rid of the door to your home, and leave the space open. Put a camera. Feel safe. Have fun.
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Old 01-19-2019, 11:46 PM
 
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enough childishness. All of those are secondary. Honestly do you anything when it comes to the border? Do you listen to the CBP at all?

People have lost their minds with Trump hatred

Wall---> Drones-----> Detention-----> Deportation

When democrats oppose 3 out of the 4 steps above at the border... how the hell do you expect to reduce border crossings?

When the same group of donkeys built a damn fence as needed in 2006... border crossings fell in certain areas by 95%. 95% ****ING PERCENT. Holy *****
Again illegal bordercrossings are at all time lows and have been declining for a decade. This is a made up crisis, just like the caravan, which in the weeks leading up to the midterms were such a threat we needed the military there and Fox News at the border 24/7....and since the midterm suddenly threat level midnight is scaled back to nothing. Take the blinders off for Gods sakes. You’re being manipulated.

Don’t forget the Dems offered him 25 billion for the wall in March, and idiot king who can’t negotiate his way out of wet paper bag walked away from it.

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Old 01-20-2019, 12:08 AM
 
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Again illegal bordercrossings are at all time lows and have been declining for a decade. This is a made up crisis, just like the caravan, which in the weeks leading up to the midterms were such a threat we needed the military there and Fox News at the border 24/7....and since the midterm suddenly threat level midnight is scaled back to nothing. Take the blinders off for Gods sakes. You’re being manipulated.

Don’t forget the Dems offered him 25 billion for the wall in March, and idiot king who can’t negotiate his way out of wet paper bag walked away from it.
#1) Ronil Singh died. Kate Stieinle Died. More Americans are dying from illegal drugs than ever before in US history. Death is real. Enough with the Democrat BS talking points.

#2) All time low? Wow thank you democrats for building that damn fence in areas like SD. So just because border crossings are low (which they are not... they have been on the rise since Oct 2018)... security does not matter?

Democrats didn't offerrrr ****ttttt. This is another bul****ttt media talking point.

Trump just said he offered protection to dreamers/TPS.
But the media won't let him get away with pretending this is permanent. They look at the details. In reality its just a 3 year temporary relief

in the same way Democrats offered $25B over 10 years with $2.5B the first year to only be used to repair fences/get tech. For the remaining 9 years there needs to be a Senate vote (60) to release the funds (aka no wall). Same time Dems wanted citizenship for 1.8M illegal parasites.

Do you call that that giving him a wall?

Enough of this nonsense.

Get over damn Trump hatred, and come back to reality.
Wall/Tech/Detention/Deportation

ICE/E Verify/Visa Overstay Tracking

Merit based immigration (tech is replacing blue collar jobs. We do not need zero education, no english, and low skilled people anymore).

This is the path forwards

But dems oppose Everything I said above expect Tech. They want an illegal alien paradise they keep giving amnesty to ... destroying this country... while they get permanent power.
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:38 AM
 
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need that gateway tunnel
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Old 01-20-2019, 04:26 AM
 
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Except that bigger is NEVER better. Bigger school districts does not provide a better education for students. There is less accountability. That is why New Jersey schools and those in the northeast are so highly regarded. Same goes for police and fire protection. Or zoning and development decisions. Do you really want those decisions made in some city faraway? I doubt it. Jay
It doesn't have to be one or the other. First of all I'm not so naive as to believe that consolidating on a county level is going to give us property taxes as low as those in the South or the West, but I believe that they can be lower. Also, I think that zoning and development decisions can and still should be made on a local level. Due to the way our local governments were initially set up we could never get to a pure system of county administration of everything, nor should we. We would be somewhere in between, a sort hybrid between pure county government and the fractured parochial home rule we have now. Your post is representative of the irrational fear that keeps most elected officials from even casually mentioning consolidation.
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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It doesn't have to be one or the other. First of all I'm not so naive as to believe that consolidating on a county level is going to give us property taxes as low as those in the South or the West, but I believe that they can be lower. Also, I think that zoning and development decisions can and still should be made on a local level. Due to the way our local governments were initially set up we could never get to a pure system of county administration of everything, nor should we. We would be somewhere in between, a sort hybrid between pure county government and the fractured parochial home rule we have now. Your post is representative of the irrational fear that keeps most elected officials from even casually mentioning consolidation.
Except that keeping some of the local control means maintaining the numerous local governments and that is what costs the most. County wide school systems may save money BUT they will also impact quality. Accountability does not work in large scale school districts. Jay
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:46 AM
 
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new jersey is a lovely tea party compared to new york city and its suburban environs and/or the sewer of los angeles. it's got the beach for those who cannot visit more exotic beaches due to geographical or financial restrictions. it close to the poconos and the catskills, if not the upstate new york and ontario lakes. it's got new york city right by it. it's got jersey city or hoboken for the progressive artists, it's got short hills and its rural versions, watchung or warren twp, where you can find everyone from a farmer on the back of his tractor, mafiosi, third-world ethnics fleeing new york city, etc. a progressive liberal who is prominent can buy a huge, victorian mansion for a steal in plainfield. a republican conservative wall street stock broker has westfield to consider. folks who like equestrian activity have far hills, bernardsville, etc. philipsburg is becoming full of semi-mcmansions. because of all this utter convenience and diversity, not to mention the simplicity of south jersey, you have to pay for it. if you'd rather spend less money, go and get a low paying job in western virginia and drive 50 miles round trip to some walmart. if you think it gets too cold for a few weeks in the winter, go to florida and spend the rest of your life driving in dangerous roundabouts, wondering whether or not you're going to get struck by lightning on a clear day, and fighting off 90 degree plus temperatures from april to october. if you don't like to be taxed, find a rent stablized apartment or an over 55 year community and drive a 21 year old car, like i do and enjoy authentic mexican or colombian or korean food just a stone throw away in union city or fort lee, for the love of Christ!! God bless new jersey with its brutal charm and its difficult but exciting life. it's a fever!!
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Except that keeping some of the local control means maintaining the numerous local governments and that is what costs the most.
It appears that you live in Connecticut, but in NJ, municipalities are almost always the smallest chunk of the tax bill. Our Township is only 11% of the overall bill (municipality, county, local K-8 district, and regional high school district) which is exceptionally low because we have almost no services, but most municipalities are around 20-30% of the bill whereas most school districts comprise 50% or more.

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County wide school systems may save money BUT they will also impact quality. Accountability does not work in large scale school districts. Jay
Full disclosure-my wife is a public school teacher. School is what you and your child make of it-she has bright students with engaged parents who care about their kids' education and are involved in their lives and she has bad students whose parents are absent and/or otherwise un-involved in their lives and education. Guess which ones do better in the long run? For all of the crowing that NJ may do about the greatness of 600+ small districts it doesn't seem to help the students in Newark, Camden, Trenton, and Paterson much. Why? Because all the money in the world, the greatest teachers on earth, and the finest educational facilities are not going to make a bit of difference to a child who comes to school hungry wearing the same clothes they had on yesterday and who is wondering if the local gang is going to try to recruit him again on his way from school. Teachers are teachers-they're not social workers or foster parents. My point in all of this is that if tomorrow our children were part of a new county school district, nothing would change for them. They would know that we still expected them to work to their full potential, and to aim high.

Let's also not act as though the only people who are successful in life come from the Northeast. While products of say, the Mississippi public schools may not be lighting the world on fire by and large, there are exceptional students from all walks of life from all over the country who are high achievers, again, due just as much to parental involvement and guidance as to good schools. I suppose that the counter to that may be who is getting into the "elite" schools, which is another worn out concept. Unless they got a either a full or substantial scholarship, if any of our children were to get into an Ivy or otherwise "elite" private school we would all but forbid them from attending. The reality is that they could get just as practical and useful an education in a good field for half the cost or less at a state school that would result in maximum return on investment upon graduation rather than racking up hundreds of thousands in student loan debt. In closing, the "BUT THE SCHOOLS!!!" argument is one rooted solely in irrational emotion-not facts.
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