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Old 01-07-2019, 05:34 AM
 
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AC is dead, killed by NYC casinos. Not to mention they never improved the area or modernize the infrastructure around. Not to mention NJ troopers love pulling cars over on the way to AC and people got fed up going to AC because it was such a hassle.

There's no evidence that all of NJ towns are gentrifying. Some have pockets of gentrification but the same problems persist in the high crime towns. You check the crime blotters and the same towns features shootings, car jackings, and drug arrests. In fact, it's the good towns that are feeding the demand of drugs that creates the drug mills in the neighboring bad towns. It's not gonna go away unless the drug culture stops.

If NJ becomes a full recreational weed state, the drug use will go up. That means there will be a spike in drug trade crime.
One of the points of legalization is to stop illegal drug trade. That’s why they’re arguing over the amount of tax to put on it right now.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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One of the points of legalization is to stop illegal drug trade. That’s why they’re arguing over the amount of tax to put on it right now.
Thanks for getting to this first.

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If NJ becomes a full recreational weed state, the drug use will go up. That means there will be a spike in drug trade crime.
You do know the purpose of legalization, right? And the benefits?
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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A great story, none of it true but why let facts in the way?
Of course your going to have a more positive outlook on Gov Murphy. You probably don't even drive south of Princeton.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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They had an express Atlantic City – New York City train for a while several years ago, sponsored by the casinos. It failed miserably.
Because probably it took too long and/or was too expensive. Didn't it also somehow go through Philadelphia?

Or maybe at that time NJ residents had a higher preference for cars. I am pretty sure if the train was faster or roughly the same as driving and had comparable costs, people will come. Basically, NJT needs to extend the Coast Line...
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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What evidence do you have to support the theory that there would be any demand for people to take a 2-3 hour train ride between NYC and AC? You're talking hundreds of millions of dollars to extend a rail line that would likely get very little use. NJ Transit infrastructure is falling apart in nearby suburbs where they really need train service. There is no money to maintain the existing rail lines, let alone expand them. Plus there are already 3 major airports in the NYC region. Again, who is going to take a train 2-3 hours to catch a plane in AC?
People already take 2 hour train ride to Part Jarvis to Hoboken. Most NJ residents are getting tired of rotting and dying in horrendous traffic in their cars and/or paying for NT turnpike. If the plane tickets from AC airport are substantially cheaper, people will come. And maybe stop by in a casino or take a walk on the Boardwalk...
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Jersey City
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Because probably it took too long and/or was too expensive. Didn't it also somehow go through Philadelphia?

Or maybe at that time NJ residents had a higher preference for cars. I am pretty sure if the train was faster or roughly the same as driving and had comparable costs, people will come. Basically, NJT needs to extend the Coast Line...
Yes, it went through Philadelphia because there is no rail route along the coast to AC.

It was $29 and took 2.5 hours. The 319 bus from Jersey City to AC is something near $40 and takes about the same amount of time, or much more more on a sunny summer weekend. I used the ACES train twice en route to Ocean City. It was a nice ride. I didn't understand why there weren't more people on it.

Then I realized how many of the people going to AC are age 70+. If they've been taking the bus to AC for 40 years, they're going to keep taking the bus, even if there is a better option. I took the bus to AC and was yelled at by an old lady who said I was in her seat. She's been going to AC for decades and always takes the same bus and sits in the same seat. All the regulars know that. When the train service started, I doubt any of the regulars gave a thought to changing their routines.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Yes, it went through Philadelphia because there is no rail route along the coast to AC.

It was $29 and took 2.5 hours. The 319 bus from Jersey City to AC is something near $40 and takes about the same amount of time, or much more more on a sunny summer weekend. I used the ACES train twice en route to Ocean City. It was a nice ride. I didn't understand why there weren't more people on it.

Then I realized how many of the people going to AC are age 70+. If they've been taking the bus to AC for 40 years, they're going to keep taking the bus, even if there is a better option. I took the bus to AC and was yelled at by an old lady who said I was in her seat. She's been going to AC for decades and always takes the same bus and sits in the same seat. All the regulars know that. When the train service started, I doubt any of the regulars gave a thought to changing their routines.
Yes I once took greyhound from Atlantic City to New York City. There were so many people on both ends that you had to just stand in line in front of where the bus stopped 45 minutes before the bus even arrived or you wouldn’t get a seat. There were a lot of older people, even though I went from New York back to Atlantic City after midnight. I remember thinking how much more energy these people have than I do if they’re just starting their night and going out after midnight at their age. The bus people coming into Atlantic City got $25 in gambling credits. I don’t know if the train people did I don’t think so.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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Of course your going to have a more positive outlook on Gov Murphy. You probably don't even drive south of Princeton.
Great guess, wrong I commute 195 all the time on my way to Cherry Hill.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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Thanks for getting to this first.


You do know the purpose of legalization, right? And the benefits?
It only benefits the users and not the government or tax payers. Places like Colorado that legalized it has seen violent drug crime go up because it didn't stop the illegal drug trade. Other illegal suppliers became the enforcers on the streets as the police stop enforcement of drug laws.

Car traffic fatalities went up in there and NJ already has the highest traffic fatalities will get even worse.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/us/co...ime/index.html

The people in Colorado want to know what happened to all the tax money collected by the state. It's not improving their state's bottomline.

We all know that government is terribly inefficient, the more money it collects the more they more bad habits get such as mismanagement, corruption, and pork roll programs.

It's very possible that Colorado may recall legalization because it puts such a drain on the state to deal with all of the problems it creates.

The poor and homeless people got cheaper weed and become even more attached to smoking weed instead of becoming productive members of society.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:05 PM
 
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It only benefits the users and not the government or tax payers. Places like Colorado that legalized it has seen violent drug crime go up because it didn't stop the illegal drug trade. Other illegal suppliers became the enforcers on the streets as the police stop enforcement of drug laws.

Car traffic fatalities went up in there and NJ already has the highest traffic fatalities will get even worse.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/20/us/co...ime/index.html

The people in Colorado want to know what happened to all the tax money collected by the state. It's not improving their state's bottomline.

We all know that government is terribly inefficient, the more money it collects the more they more bad habits get such as mismanagement, corruption, and pork roll programs.

It's very possible that Colorado may recall legalization because it puts such a drain on the state to deal with all of the problems it creates.

The poor and homeless people got cheaper weed and become even more attached to smoking weed instead of becoming productive members of society.



Hilarious. It is evident that you have never been to Colorado and are talking out of your ass.



While I don't like Reason, they have a very well-sourced rebuttal to the misleading claims in your article: https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/09/d...cause-sharp-in


For some much more obvious potential issues influencing crime and traffic fatalities: Colorado has been one of the fastest growing states in the past decade, straining roads, housing affordability, public services and other infrastructure.



Denver has grown by close to 20% since 2010 alone.



It's very difficult for everything else to keep pace with the growth. It's a much better problem to have than West Virginia has, but it's still a problem that takes time to resolve.


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No one in Colorado "wants to know what happened to all the tax money" unless they've never bothered to type the question into Google or read an article. It's generating $250m a year in a state with little more than half the population of NJ. Is that an endless windfall? No. Is it a useful chunk of revenue? Yes.
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