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This is definitely tough news for the suburban commuters, and is a national embarassment that a bi-partisan agreenment cannot be reached for the most critical rail passageway in the country. The economic stakes are so high that this should be at or near the top of every federally-funded infrasturcture project list. Instead we're funding.....a wall.
If they do need to shut down a tunnel (and my assumption is that they would do that before it became critical), you will be able to watch housing pricess in North Jersey fall 30% overnight. It would basically make commuting from much of the state untenable (you may argue that it already is!) Silver lining for property owners in Westchester and Long Island I suppose...
It would destroy the national economy. All the people from NJ would basically become unemployed and unemployable in NYC overnight. All their businesses in NYC would suffer and/or collapse overnight. If NYC doesn't function, the country doesn't function. But yeah, those darn liberals wanting safe trains. All those coal miners can just handle the business NYC does and keep the country afloat right? Because they still don't have their coal jobs anyway.
Another underestimated infrastructure project intentionally underestimated to make actual cost seem palatable to taxpayers.
Lessons not learned from boston big dig and CA light rail abandoned after extreme underestimate time cost and promised deliverables.
CC shut down the tunnel because of cost overruns and the typical fraud that accompanies such projects supposedly overseen by inept government officials
So it is ground hog day all over again for nj taxpayers.
CC played a shell game when he shut the tunnel down. He used the money for Pulaski Skyway improvements. NJ still had costs associated with the tunnel shutdown.
The infrastructure in the country is failing, the orange man said he would fix it but hasn't offered any solutions, just tweets about how great he is an his wall.
I guess maybe when we're in the dark for a week like Venezuela, (cause may differ but result is the same), then 2 things will happen.
1) People will say, "Why didn't we do something about this sooner?"
2) Problem will be solved, probably quickly, with cronies pocketing big bucks.
CC played a shell game when he shut the tunnel down. He used the money for Pulaski Skyway improvements. NJ still had costs associated with the tunnel shutdown.
The infrastructure in the country is failing, the orange man said he would fix it but hasn't offered any solutions, just tweets about how great he is an his wall.
I guess maybe when we're in the dark for a week like Venezuela, (cause may differ but result is the same), then 2 things will happen.
1) People will say, "Why didn't we do something about this sooner?"
2) Problem will be solved, probably quickly, with cronies pocketing big bucks.
CC of shutting down the paid for tunnel and stealing PA money to pay for highway construction was almost criminal. If God forbid one of the tunnels will need to be closed he would be remembered as the worst Governor in NJ history.
CC of shutting down the paid for tunnel and stealing PA money to pay for highway construction was almost criminal. If God forbid one of the tunnels will need to be closed he would be remembered as the worst Governor in NJ history.
The decision-making on this was supposedly investigated, too, but I don't know what ever became of it. He put people in awkward positions.
It would destroy the national economy. All the people from NJ would basically become unemployed and unemployable in NYC overnight. All their businesses in NYC would suffer and/or collapse overnight. If NYC doesn't function, the country doesn't function. But yeah, those darn liberals wanting safe trains. All those coal miners can just handle the business NYC does and keep the country afloat right? Because they still don't have their coal jobs anyway.
Not sure about national economy, this is a bit of exaggeration. But definitely tri state economy will suffer. NJ will be the affected the worst, since suddenly the employment of about 200,000 highly paid residents will be in question: https://www.nj.com/data/2018/04/expl...utes_wi_1.html
How would they pay NJ high property taxes?
NYC will be affected but not as bad as NJ. NYC is now very popular and many professionals would like to move there. So they can replace NJ commuters with either NYC residents or commuters from NYS/CT suburbs server by Metro North and LIRR.
If i were Gievrnor of NJ now, I would be thinking long and hard what taxes and/or fees can be raised to help proving NJ portion of the Gateway funding...
“Destroy” is an exaggeration when it comes to the national economy but there would be an effect. I remember a study looking at travel patterns from NYC to DC by train, plane, bus, and driving. Amtrak had the highest market share connecting those two cities. Those tunnels are an important part of connecting important US major cities/economies.
those tunnels are important to whole nation as far as I'm concerned. The northeast is the center of the world. California just makes food and designs iphones, and has space x
All the people from NJ would basically become unemployed and unemployable in NYC overnight. All their businesses in NYC would suffer and/or collapse overnight.
Manhattan has a daytime population of about 4 million. The 200k who come through the North River Tunnels are not going to cause collapse of NYC businesses.
Manhattan has a daytime population of about 4 million. The 200k who come through the North River Tunnels are not going to cause collapse of NYC businesses.
Maybe the economy isn't that fragile, but it would surely hurt. Then at the 200K who come through the rail tunnels to the ferries, and other Hudson river crossings, the delays would be unimaginable.
Maybe the economy isn't that fragile, but it would surely hurt. Then at the 200K who come through the rail tunnels to the ferries, and other Hudson river crossings, the delays would be unimaginable.
Yeah I agree, the tunnel going out of service would affect far more than the 200,000 daily NJT users and the (how many?) Amtrak users. When those 200,000 NJT commuters have to use the PATH, ferries, buses, and/or drive to Manhattan, the:
250,000 daily PATH riders
290,000 daily vehicles on GWB
100,000+ daily vehicles in Holland and Lincoln tunnels (subtracting buses, because) the next line...
225,000 daily commuters who go through the PA Bus Terminal
30,000+ daily NY Waterway commuters
would all be affected. That's about 1.1 million trips per day impacted. And with these NJ commuters taking different routes to Manhattan, it will have impacts on crowding on NYC subways and buses, etc., as those workers try to get to their offices from their "landing spot" in NYC.
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