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Old 12-26-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The municipal portion hoax is a hoax. But I thought that was put to rest years ago. It has been disproven so many times that I didn’t think it would ever be popping up again.

It was started by people who didn’t like Christy and didn’t want to give him a win. Then it was repeated by people like yourself. But it is a lie. It is the total property tax bill, not just the municipal portion.

In fact, aren’t you the same person who tried to claim this years ago, and we proved you wrong?

So what happened? Did you think that enough time went by that we would forget? Did you think this misinformation would suddenly work now, when it didn't work years ago?

Or did you really just forget the fact that you were wrong?

<edit>. Most of our towns have had votes on whether or not to raise school funding above the cap on a particular year (or years), so how could you possibly think this lie would work?

The first time, I did think you probably got duped at the time, but the second time seems deliberate. Maybe try this again in another 5 years. Maybe it will work then.
Relax, man. Let's take a few deep breaths. Did Santa not give you what you wanted for Christmas? I can tell you my property taxes have increased by more than 2%. I have done the math. That's why I call BS on the cap, and the cap is misleading.

Here is an article from 2017:


https://www.app.com/story/news/2017/...flaw/99299732/

"Due to cap exceptions already in place -- for increased costs for pensions, health benefits, debt, construction and emergencies -- property tax hikes already top 2 percent in more than 40 percent of New Jersey municipalities each year. "

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Old 12-26-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Relax, man. Let's take a few deep breaths. Did Santa not give you what you wanted for Christmas? I can tell you my property taxes have increased by more than 2%. I have done the math. That's why I call BS on the cap, and the cap is misleading.

Here is an article from 2017:


https://www.app.com/story/news/2017/...flaw/99299732/

"Due to cap exceptions already in place -- for increased costs for pensions, health benefits, debt, construction and emergencies -- property tax hikes already top 2 percent in more than 40 percent of New Jersey municipalities each year. "
Yes. The exceptions. The ones that the democrats in the assembly insisted upon in order to pass the bill.

That is totally different than saying the cap only includes the municipal portion, which is completely false.

Some years, some districts will have a higher increase because of the exceptions, but the fact remains that the average tax increase has been 1.9%. So the majority of people have been within the 2% cap, which is a lot better than the average increase under Corzine and prior to that.

Add up all the savings every year since the cap was installed, compounded, and just about everyone is paying a lot less in property taxes than they would have been paying without the cap.

If I reacted strongly, I apologize, but clearly, just showing you the data last time did not have much of an impact.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: In an indoor space
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Christie immediately did away with the Homestead Rebates that I enjoyed under Corzine

More like: Murphy immediately did away with the Homestead Rebate amount that was enjoyed under Christie.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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I wonder how you guys feel about the insanely high property taxes in Westchester and Nassau counties of NYS, Fairfield county of CT? This is not a NJ problem. This is a problem of being within an hour and half commute to Manhattan. So while I am employed, I am absolutely fine with them as I enjoy where I am living and don't want to move...

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Old 12-26-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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There are towns close to nyc in Bergen county with low to very low property taxes. Englewood cliffs, alpine, rockLeigh, single family houses in edgewater. The catch is the purchase prices are higher than surrounding communities. The market makes sure there are no real bargains but if you want rock bottom property taxes you can find it.

1 acre, 20 min to gwb, taxes 3k
https://www.njmls.com/m/detail.cfm?m...6&dayssince=15

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Old 12-26-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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There are towns close to nyc in Bergen county with low to very low property taxes. Englewood cliffs, alpine, rockLeigh, single family houses in edgewater. The catch is the purchase prices are higher than surrounding communities. The market makes sure there are no real bargains but if you want rock bottom property taxes you can find it.

1 acre, 20 min to gwb, taxes 3k
https://www.njmls.com/m/detail.cfm?m...6&dayssince=15
Except that the money you pay towards a mortgage, minus the interest, is going right into your investment. Eventually you get that back, and hopefully a lot more. The money you pay in taxes is gone for good. From a financial standpoint if you are budgeting $6000 a month for your home, you are better off with a high mortgage and low taxes than vice versa.

I know of areas with beautiful homes, going for relatively cheap, because nobody who understands this, wants to pay the incredibly high taxes. And even though the asking price is so low, they still sit on the market for a long time.
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Old 12-26-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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There are towns close to nyc in Bergen county with low to very low property taxes. Englewood cliffs, alpine, rockLeigh, single family houses in edgewater. The catch is the purchase prices are higher than surrounding communities. The market makes sure there are no real bargains but if you want rock bottom property taxes you can find it.

1 acre, 20 min to gwb, taxes 3k
https://www.njmls.com/m/detail.cfm?m...6&dayssince=15
Oops my bad. Taxes 10k when including property in ny state. Still not terrible for big house, big property, good schools, not far from nyc. I can pull up other examples if anyone is interested.
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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Oops my bad. Taxes 10k when including property in ny state. Still not terrible for big house, big property, good schools, not far from nyc. I can pull up other examples if anyone is interested.
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:48 PM
 
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More like: Murphy immediately did away with the Homestead Rebate amount that was enjoyed under Christie.
So, apparently I was hallucinating when the rebate was credited to my property tax account?
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Old 12-26-2019, 03:50 PM
 
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i mean... who doesn't love giving their disposable or not-so-disposable income to the government? it's pretty awesome.
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