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Old 02-18-2020, 09:17 AM
 
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Of course it's never going to happen. People in this state obsess over school districts to no end. Just look at some of the posts on this forum. There are people that not only want the best town, they want the best neighborhood in the best town, and they are willing to blow their entire budget on that. Everyone claims they support diversity, as long as it's other people's kids that are going to those diverse schools.
its like they don’t realize they are part of the problem
and that their form of diversity has Balkanized the state and now they are reaping the consequences of their actual at home practices and behaviors. Signaling one behavior and then doing something different to keep the status quo in place.

Now we have balkinized state with a vaporizing middle class , rich people, the public employee industrial complex that stays ...then runs out the state with their pensions that they earn on nj taxpayers. Its so whacky

Even now these people continue to ask these ridiculous questions about school districts and towns, not once but repeatedly.

I dont get it...u wanna change ur state, but dont wanna change the mentality

im just ranting, but im really fed up with this contradictory and have it boths ways attitude some ppl have in this state
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NJ
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These old guard liberals perpetuate this problem with the “never gonna happen” nonsense. These are the same people that cant seem to pump their own gas, cant seem to let ppl smoke weed. That virtue signal social justice for everyone yet hardly practice it in their own lives. Cant seem to let their kids go to school with any other people that don’t look like themselves. the same ppl that throw off pollsters by saying they’ll vote one way and vote another in the both. The same freakin people that want all the consolidation and cuts except for themselves and their own towns. Its very shameful
are you saying that republicans reduce spending?
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:37 PM
 
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These old guard liberals perpetuate this problem with the “never gonna happen” nonsense. These are the same people that cant seem to pump their own gas, cant seem to let ppl smoke weed. That virtue signal social justice for everyone yet hardly practice it in their own lives. Cant seem to let their kids go to school with any other people that don’t look like themselves. the same ppl that throw off pollsters by saying they’ll vote one way and vote another in the both. The same freakin people that want all the consolidation and cuts except for themselves and their own towns. Its very shameful
I’m not a liberal in any sense, but this is just ridiculous. Ask a Republican in Saddle River their opinion of merging with Waldwick or a Republican in Alpine about the same with Norwood, and see how much support there is for that. Ditto for Franklin Lakes and Oakland. If anything, conservatives are actually MORE about local control than liberals. This a money and class thing, not a politics thing.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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i think that some people talk about consolidation as a way to pretend that they are discussing ways to save money. everyone knows that 1. it wont happen and 2. it wouldnt save money. so i wouldnt give any weight to the fact that people talk about consolidation as if that means a proposal for it should be supported. its just wasted air and everyone knows it.
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Old 02-18-2020, 01:18 PM
 
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I’m not a liberal in any sense, but this is just ridiculous. Ask a Republican in Saddle River their opinion of merging with Waldwick or a Republican in Alpine about the same with Norwood, and see how much support there is for that. Ditto for Franklin Lakes and Oakland. If anything, conservatives are actually MORE about local control than liberals. This a money and class thing, not a politics thing.
Ok its people thing, but if the governor has town hall about consolidations... all he gets is boos and dirty looks then clearly the people are contradicting themselves. Saying one thing and doing another. OR they want it both ways, which is cheap government and plenty government.


And of course u can save money by simply and phase out any repeating positions through attrition. UNions cant tell management how to manage. You can save money by have singular officers, uniforms, flag colors, stationary items etc... there is price point of savings u combine services

As far as class, NYC operates just find with billionaire row in Manhattan and run down Brownsville or south side Jamaica queens. These classes of people are much different in economics and class, much different schools, yet they live under the same bureaucracy...

its gonna a drastic "IM JUST TO FAR FED UP TO CARE" to push these people to bust up these fiefdoms, and get rid of the government employee industrial complex in this state.
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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i think that some people talk about consolidation as a way to pretend that they are discussing ways to save money. everyone knows that 1. it wont happen and 2. it wouldnt save money. so i wouldnt give any weight to the fact that people talk about consolidation as if that means a proposal for it should be supported. its just wasted air and everyone knows it.

The article references Salem county paying a consultant $17,500 to study consolidation. It also mentions Murphy setting aside $10 million to promote shared services. If everyone’s reason for wanting consolidation is cost savings, then any proposal to merge districts should outline how much and where these savings will come from. If it doesn’t, then simply don’t vote for it. It shouldn’t be that complicated. Large corporations merge all the time. Whether people actually want this is another story. But the people who actually do want it do nothing by saying “it’ll never happen”
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Ok its people thing, but if the governor has town hall about consolidations... all he gets is boos and dirty looks then clearly the people are contradicting themselves. Saying one thing and doing another. OR they want it both ways, which is cheap government and plenty government.


And of course u can save money by simply and phase out any repeating positions through attrition. UNions cant tell management how to manage. You can save money by have singular officers, uniforms, flag colors, stationary items etc... there is price point of savings u combine services

As far as class, NYC operates just find with billionaire row in Manhattan and run down Brownsville or south side Jamaica queens. These classes of people are much different in economics and class, much different schools, yet they live under the same bureaucracy...

its gonna a drastic "IM JUST TO FAR FED UP TO CARE" to push these people to bust up these fiefdoms, and get rid of the government employee industrial complex in this state.
Not as far as schools go. I lived there for 30 years and put one kid all the way through the NYC public school system. It's a mess, and is the major reason we now live in NJ. It was so bad that I pulled one of my kids out and homeschooled for two years until we were able to make the move.

NYC would probably be able to make some improvements by giving smaller areas more control over their own schools. It certainly couldn't get much worse.
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:59 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The article references Salem county paying a consultant $17,500 to study consolidation. It also mentions Murphy setting aside $10 million to promote shared services. If everyone’s reason for wanting consolidation is cost savings, then any proposal to merge districts should outline how much and where these savings will come from. If it doesn’t, then simply don’t vote for it. It shouldn’t be that complicated. Large corporations merge all the time. Whether people actually want this is another story. But the people who actually do want it do nothing by saying “it’ll never happen”
government isnt anything like a large corporation, there is no way that the government is going to cut expenses.

there is no need to spend the money on studies, we all know that there would be no savings. nobody really wants this. the government wants to throw some money at friends for studies and im sure they will find other ways to waste money.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:05 AM
 
Location: NJ
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government isnt anything like a large corporation, there is no way that the government is going to cut expenses.
Exactly. Large corporations generally merge out of necessity in order to stay in business. A corporation has no choice but to operate within a budget that is limited to the amount of their sales of goods and/or services. A government has no need or incentive to operate within a budget as they can simply raise taxes in order to meet any budget they desire.
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:38 AM
 
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"Sometimes the people have to drag elected officials out of their houses in the middle of the night kicking and screaming"
Fixed it for you for the sake of accuracy.
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