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So what could cause an asthma-like attack, but with no shortage of breath or wheezing? Any doctors want to chime in? My physical and bloodwork were all completely normal, and for a change, I wasn’t even anemic. The doctor who saw me didn’t have any suggestions to offer up. Just ‘come in for some more tests’. I’m not spending thousands of dollars only to be told there’s nothing the matter. I’ve been down that road before. Extreme fatigue for a couple months in my early 30’s that was never explained, even with all the tests.
Below is a link to an article that provides a strong indicator that we are (thank God!) NOT currently in the same straits as the folks in Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Arizona. However, all we need are some knuckleheads returning from those COVID hotspots--who fail to take the necessary precautions--for us to be in the same predicament as those other states.
Too close to home. After what we have been through in this area, people should know better.
Do you expect people to remain restricted forever, or until a vaccine comes out, whichever is sooner? If you don't, the only way we get out of this is through herd immunity, and that means more people getting the virus. The health care system is not particularly burdened now; bring on the new cases.
We're probably not all that far from herd immunity anyway, as we see by the lack of a Floyd spike despite copious undistanced protesting.
In late May, Sweden's overall COVID-19 mortality rate was estimated at 39.57 deaths per 100,000 residents; at the same time, the U.S. mortality rate was estimated at 30.02 deaths per 100,000 residents, according to NPR. Norway and Finland, both bordering Sweden, instituted stricter lockdown measures than their neighboring country, and at the time, each had fewer than six COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 residents.
Do you expect people to remain restricted forever, or until a vaccine comes out, whichever is sooner? If you don't, the only way we get out of this is through herd immunity, and that means more people getting the virus. The health care system is not particularly burdened now; bring on the new cases.
We're probably not all that far from herd immunity anyway, as we see by the lack of a Floyd spike despite copious undistanced protesting.
I don't think the protests are evidence of herd immunity as much as that outdoors events are not as risky as feared, and that events where people are in constant motion are not as risky as events where people are stationary and have extended exposure with the same people over a period of time (vs say a sports event where the same people are around you for several hours). Also in many cities there were many more masked protestors than not.
We need 200 million people for herd immunity, if it exists. We don't know yet.
Ummm... no
The only exemplar of herd immunity was Sweden, and their deadly experiment with the health of their citizens was a resounding failure:
Their death rate is considerably less than New Jersey's or New York's. It's less than the UK as well. Also less than Italy and Belgium. But Sweden isn't the issue. Anyway, you didn't answer my question: if you don't intend to keep lockdown forever, how do you manage to avoid getting the deaths anyway? We've seen what happened in Texas, California, and Florida: they locked down, the epidemic stayed under control. But they couldn't maintain the lockdown forever, it basically completely broke down at the end of May, and now they're seeing the cases they managed to hold off.
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We need 200 million people for herd immunity, if it exists. We don't know yet.
No, the actual herd immunity threshold is not known (models which assume complete mixing of the population are where you get high numbers like 200 million), but is unlikely to be anywhere near 200 million for the United States. Herd immunity in New Jersey obviously would require fewer people infected.
Below is a link to an article that provides a strong indicator that we are (thank God!) NOT currently in the same straits as the folks in Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Arizona. However, all we need are some knuckleheads returning from those COVID hotspots--who fail to take the necessary precautions--for us to be in the same predicament as those other states.
That is indeed welcome news. I live near there, and pass by often. The tension in that community & the vicinity was palpable.
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...The only exemplar of herd immunity was Sweden, and their deadly experiment with the health of their citizens was a resounding failure...
That is an outdated perception.
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In the case of Sweden, for example, the WHO had to withdraw the classification as a “risk country” after it became clear that the apparent increase in “cases” was due to an increase in testing. In fact, hospitalisations and deaths in Sweden have been declining since April.
Below is a link to an article that provides a strong indicator that we are (thank God!) NOT currently in the same straits as the folks in Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Arizona. However, all we need are some knuckleheads returning from those COVID hotspots--who fail to take the necessary precautions--for us to be in the same predicament as those other states.
Sure. Thank heaven we’ve only had 12,500 more people die than Texas has.
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