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I figured you were talking about some kind of privilege, but I wasn't sure exactly which privilege you were talking about. White? Male? Rich? Doctor?
Personally, I don't believe in the tactic of attacking privilege. I think the biggest flaw of liberalism is the idea that equal is always best. That everybody treated equally bad, is somehow better than some people treated well. How is treating everybody poorly, helpful to the people that are treated poorly in the first place? Shouldn't the goal be for everyone to be treated well, not necessarily the same?
Liberals are always talking about "closing gaps". Closing the education gap, the wage gap, etc. Well, there are three ways to close a gap. Bring the bottom up, bring the top down, or both. But only one of those three ways is healthy and positive. Why would you want to bring the education level of one child down, just so he could be more equal? Why do they choose this terminology? Because they don't care how you destroy inequity, as long as it is destroyed. To them, the inequity is the problem, not the problem itself.
As socially liberal as I am, this is why I can never get on board with the left. I think it is completely the wrong approach. Winston Churchill once said,"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." And you can see this play out here. The whole idea of "privilege" and attacking things from the top is ridiculous.
I was talking about your white privilege. I was only talking about it as it pertained to police not pulling you over for not having front plates. I wasn’t shaming you for it. Just pointing out a very likely reason why police don’t give you a hard time about it that you seemed to not be aware of. I don’t want them to give you a hard time about it, I would just like for them to not give anyone a hard time about it.
All that other crap in your post doesn’t really address anything I said and sounds like you just wanted to get that off your chest. Sticking to the topic, there is absolutely no need to “bring someone down” or “treat everyone equally bad” (honestly, I don’t even know how you came to this conclusion) when talking about police pulling over minorities for trivial things. White people don’t have to suffer for minorities to be treated better, contrary to your rant.
I was talking about your white privilege. I was only talking about it as it pertained to police not pulling you over for not having front plates. I wasn’t shaming you for it. Just pointing out a very likely reason why police don’t give you a hard time about it that you seemed to not be aware of. I don’t want them to give you a hard time about it, I would just like for them to not give anyone a hard time about it.
All that other crap in your post doesn’t really address anything I said and sounds like you just wanted to get that off your chest. Sticking to the topic, there is absolutely no need to “bring someone down” or “treat everyone equally bad” (honestly, I don’t even know how you came to this conclusion) when talking about police pulling over minorities for trivial things. White people don’t have to suffer for minorities to be treated better, contrary to your rant.
You may be taking it more personally than I meant it to be. My attack was on the, now, common use of the term “privilege”. The term “gap” was another example I gave. Most people dont realize that these words didn’t enter our everyday vocabulary by chance. They were carefully chosen for our everyday use, with an agenda in mind.
I wasn’t saying you, personally, want to bring anyone down or treat everyone equally badly, but the people that decided on this type of terminology did. Actually, I dont even know that I would say that they WANT to bring people down. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in saying that they would prefer seeing everyone rise to equal levels, but if that is not the case, bringing people down is preferable to them than inequality.
White people don’t have to suffer for minorities to be treated better
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For reasons that I will probably never be able to fathom, some people perceive freedom (in all of its various forms) to be a finite commodity, and they seem to think that increasing freedom for one group will... somehow... reduce freedom for another group.
Actually, pretty well stated, especially for someone who admits to being somewhat liberal. Problem with "full-blown liberals", is that they really believe in "equal outcomes" rather than "equal opportunity". You'll never achieve an equal outcome, because many people don't possess "equal qualifications".
I am socially liberal. Actually, I would better describe it as being for maximal freedom for all citizens of this country. I am pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro marijuana legalization, etc. But I am also for economic freedom. So I dont really have a party. I tend to vote republican, because I think economic freedom is easier to legislate away than social freedom in this day and age. And I do so with the hope that the democrats have enough pushback on social freedoms to keep the republicans from doing too much harm.
For reasons that I will probably never be able to fathom, some people perceive freedom (in all of its various forms) to be a finite commodity, and they seem to think that increasing freedom for one group will... somehow... reduce freedom for another group.
Well, that is exactly how I feel. I just dont think that the people further left on the spectrum feel the same way that we do.
You may be taking it more personally than I meant it to be. My attack was on the, now, common use of the term “privilege”. The term “gap” was another example I gave. Most people dont realize that these words didn’t enter our everyday vocabulary by chance. They were carefully chosen for our everyday use, with an agenda in mind.
I wasn’t saying you, personally, want to bring anyone down or treat everyone equally badly, but the people that decided on this type of terminology did. Actually, I dont even know that I would say that they WANT to bring people down. I would give them the benefit of the doubt in saying that they would prefer seeing everyone rise to equal levels, but if that is not the case, bringing people down is preferable to them than inequality.
These conversations almost ALWAYS go this way. Instead of focusing on the actual wrong doing by oppressors, you challenge the methods in which the oppressed respond to their oppression. This is probably one of the many reasons why meaningful change never happens. People like you don’t care, don’t understand, or don’t care to understand.
i dont like to get into politics since i dont vote, dont support any politicians, taxation is theft, no government is legitimate if it isnt selected by the individual consumer, nobody has a right to select someone else's government and government doesnt have the right to govern everyone within a certain land mass.
as far as "privilege" maybe the term isnt perfect but i am very aware that i have a lot of benefits simply based on my appearance (not even counting my extreme good looks) and a lot of people have a lot of negatives in how they are treated simply based on their appearance. i think it is good to point it out so that people can change their attitudes but i dont support government doing dumb stuff to force change since government is force/violence and i am against violence unless it is defending someone from harm.
These conversations almost ALWAYS go this way. Instead of focusing on the actual wrong doing by oppressors, you challenge the methods in which the oppressed respond to their oppression. This is probably one of the many reasons why meaningful change never happens. People like you don’t care, don’t understand, or don’t care to understand.
Sure I care. I dont want to see anyone being oppressed. I would like to see many of these cops prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But if the “methods” are “by any means necessary”, then yeah, I do have a problem with some of their methods.
cops are all really guilty of violating our rights, they all should be prosecuted. arresting anyone for any drug crime is kidnapping and if you take their drugs is theft. those are actual crimes unlike any drug crime.
cops are all really guilty of violating our rights, they all should be prosecuted. arresting anyone for any drug crime is kidnapping and if you take their drugs is theft. those are actual crimes unlike any drug crime.
Meanwhile, without them, what is stopping anyone else from using force against you to take whatever they want? What is stopping them from raping ad killing your family? Do we go back to the days where we all just arm ourselves, and whoever is the best shot or the most vicious, is the winner? Do we go back to feudalism or warlords ruling over the serfs?
I'm not saying that there are not things that need fixing, but do you have enough faith in mankind to forego state policing?
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