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Old 08-22-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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we were someones house the other day, 3 families. the guy has been pretty serious about the lockdown and he was saying that 8% of people who got the rona died. he was using a very questionable calculation that ive never actually seen anyone attempt.

one night we went to get ice cream and a mom did tell her kids to get away from our kids because they werent wearing masks. we were outside.

i think when it comes to restaurants, there are some boomers that will complain online about people not social distancing but for the most part; if they are there they are ok with the risk. i think people generally feel that the risk should be their choice and not the governments. restaurants should be allowed to have people dine in them and everyone is free to choose to go or not. it isnt fair to the restaurants to not let them do business. not all of them have outside options and that can be very limited and also very subject to weather.
1000%. The fact that sheeple allow the government to control them like this is scary. Over a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. If the government offered me a waiver to decline medical care and say I understood the risks, I’d sign it in a second. I’d rather live a good life and take the 0.0001% chance of dying of COVID than live a horrible life stuck at home and live to old age (which I’ll likely do either way since, you know, the virus isn’t the apocalyptic scenario that two particular posters on here think it is).
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Old 08-22-2020, 03:44 PM
 
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1000%. The fact that sheeple allow the government to control them like this is scary. Over a virus with a 99.9% survival rate. If the government offered me a waiver to decline medical care and say I understood the risks, I’d sign it in a second. I’d rather live a good life and take the 0.0001% chance of dying of COVID than live a horrible life stuck at home and live to old age (which I’ll likely do either way since, you know, the virus isn’t the apocalyptic scenario that two particular posters on here think it is).
im very concerned about the power that has been usurped by government during this situation. they basically made it clear that they can shut down any business they want and make anyone dependent on government. the US government is incredibly evil and we would be much better off in a situation where we dont need the government. but now we see that they can close all of our businesses and you basically have to accept what they have done or the economy collapses.
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Old 08-22-2020, 03:53 PM
 
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im very concerned about the power that has been usurped by government during this situation. they basically made it clear that they can shut down any business they want and make anyone dependent on government. the US government is incredibly evil and we would be much better off in a situation where we dont need the government. but now we see that they can close all of our businesses and you basically have to accept what they have done or the economy collapses.
“If we can save just one life, it’s worth it.” -the sheeple
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Old 08-22-2020, 03:54 PM
 
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we were someones house the other day, 3 families. the guy has been pretty serious about the lockdown and he was saying that 8% of people who got the rona died. he was using a very questionable calculation that ive never actually seen anyone attempt.

one night we went to get ice cream and a mom did tell her kids to get away from our kids because they werent wearing masks. we were outside.

i think when it comes to restaurants, there are some boomers that will complain online about people not social distancing but for the most part; if they are there they are ok with the risk. i think people generally feel that the risk should be their choice and not the governments. restaurants should be allowed to have people dine in them and everyone is free to choose to go or not. it isnt fair to the restaurants to not let them do business. not all of them have outside options and that can be very limited and also very subject to weather.
It isn't always about the customers. It's also about the servers, bartenders, dishwashers, etc. My son's restaurant followed strict protocols (which were cumbersome to say the least), only had outdoor dining and WORKERS were still infected. It's not always about the customers.

If everyone followed the same rules, then we wouldn't need government intervention, but they don't.
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Old 08-22-2020, 04:00 PM
 
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“If we can save just one life, it’s worth it.” -the sheeple

And they're going by the many false-positive tests too.


To those who question me, look up Tanzania doctor.
I look at it in a non-partisan way.
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Old 08-22-2020, 04:18 PM
 
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Look at the survival rate. I have resumed my life. I am going to the bars, friend’s houses and work, and we’re taking advantage of the lounge we recently put into our office and having in-person meetings. I go to Mass every Sunday and wear a mask on my way in and take it off as soon as I sit down, as do all the other parishioners. I took a trip to visit family and went on a plane, and (gasp) I NEVER GOT SICK. You have fun shutting yourself in and destroying your own life over what is basically a glorified flu, and destroying the lives of the small business owners as well. I’m not taking it seriously because there’s nothing to take seriously. It’s the flu. It’s people like you that make the whole situation unbearable and make me want to leave this leftist state.
This is not the flu. The mortality rate for this bug is 1-2%, for the flu is is 1/10 of that (assuming you mean the seasonal flu and not some of the more notable flu pandemics such as the Spanish Flu).

The fact you haven't caught it (yet) is no more "proof" that it is safe than someone who drives drunk and doesn't crash somehow "proves" it should be legal to do so. Something can be unsafe even if not every single person gets sick or hurt, I can give other examples if I must (riding motorcycle with no helmet, getting high on meth, etc.) You can do it 100 times and come out without a scratch, and the 101st time could still land you in the ER. Unlikely? Maybe. But one must be careful to look at numbers and not leap to conclusions simply because you took risks and haven't been hit (yet).

As to small business owners, ideally the government should pay their expenses until the virus is contained, but barring that, there should be some sort of temp jobs program for them. Letting another 100k, 200k, 500k Americans die to "save the economy" is not a morally acceptable answer, especially when billionaires are hiding profits in offshore tax loopholes. You're basically saying that their tax loopholes are more important than preventing mass loss of life. A lot of business could be compensated for extended closures with the money that would be raised by closing these loopholes.

I get that this is frustrating, and I fully admit that some loosening of restrictions (from total lockdown) is necessary for mental health and the like, but this doesn't mean that the very high-risk activities should be allowed (e.g. indoor dining, bars, casinos).
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Old 08-22-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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Look at the survival rate. I have resumed my life. I am going to the bars, friend’s houses and work, and we’re taking advantage of the lounge we recently put into our office and having in-person meetings. I go to Mass every Sunday and wear a mask on my way in and take it off as soon as I sit down, as do all the other parishioners. I took a trip to visit family and went on a plane, and (gasp) I NEVER GOT SICK. You have fun shutting yourself in and destroying your own life over what is basically a glorified flu, and destroying the lives of the small business owners as well. I’m not taking it seriously because there’s nothing to take seriously. It’s the flu. It’s people like you that make the whole situation unbearable and make me want to leave this leftist state.
Everybody is resuming life.

The hardline leftist stance is no different from the hardline right stance. Both are people that refuse to communicate and just really get a kick out of arguing...

I had lunch outside today and it was fine. Metuchen closed off entire streets and it was nice being outside actually.

My thought is that Murphy will likely open the restaurants at the beginning of October when it becomes too cold for outdoor dining. Governor Murphy doesn't operate on his own ya know. If he said it's mandatory to have a strip club on every corner of every town ... well, that wouldn't fly too well. I see no benefit of opening while the weather is nice.

Sometimes the world works in your favor, sometimes it doesn't. Be glad you're young and healthy and can go out and get drunk with your friends in posh Rockland County.

If life had dealt you another hand, you could be in Honduras somewhere digging ditches for a living or going through chemotheraphy right now and hoping that life doesn't run out on you before you can live what life you may have left.

Are all those people whining about COVID? Well I can tell you I know that some of the people I personally know in that situation aren't... so just consider that and consider it hard. Feel lucky you're young and have your whole life ahead of you.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Waiting in line (while wearing a mask) is much safer than sitting down with others and eating (which necessitates removing the mask).

This is the fundamental problem - that you can't eat and wear a mask.

Reopening indoor dining is reckless and irresponsible until the virus is contained. Period!!!



Having been out to dinner with my familly (heading into PA), i can say it's not reckless at all. the restaurants were 25 percent capacity. We keep our masks on when walking in and out, and if we go to the restroom. It comes off when we eat. We are more then 6 feet from the nearest occupied table (more like 20 feet). The wait staff is masked the entire time.



As for eating outdoors, it's nice on a nice day... but the days it's hot out? No thanks.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:45 PM
 
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Having been out to dinner with my familly (heading into PA), i can say it's not reckless at all. the restaurants were 25 percent capacity. We keep our masks on when walking in and out, and if we go to the restroom. It comes off when we eat. We are more then 6 feet from the nearest occupied table (more like 20 feet). The wait staff is masked the entire time.



As for eating outdoors, it's nice on a nice day... but the days it's hot out? No thanks.
Don’t even bother try to explaining this to some of these people. The “let’s shut down the world and deprive people of any source of income or livelihood until we have the vaccine that may never come” people are unable to be convinced.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:48 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Don’t even bother try to explaining this to some of these people. The “let’s shut down the world and deprive people of any source of income or livelihood until we have the vaccine that may never come” people are unable to be convinced.

My other point to this is, if Murphy thinks by keeping restaurants closed he's keeping NJ residents "safe" (his definition), how many of us are crossing state borders to do this? Is he going to build a wall next? It's gotten ridiculous. And i should add, i wear the mask. I follow all the rules. As does my family. It's just we started noticing friends resume life and not get sick, so why not???



I know of some who are doing gyms, just keeping very quiet about it... I think a lot of places are open secretly LOL...it's like prohibition era all over again, with gyms and restaurants. Sad really.
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