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i dont think obamacare is going anywhere. what aspect is a problem at this point? i think it was a pretty poor attempt at reforming our healthcare system but you cant undo what was done. the biggest thing that was done was the medicaid expansion. good luck taking away healthcare from people. there is no reason to eliminate the marketplaces, their plans and their subsidies. that battle is over. there is still more reform that obama didnt do that could be attempted. have the republicans actually made any serious efforts to do so?
For what it is worth, the Trump Administration has been throwing their clout and resources towards pushing the Supreme Court to uphold the decision, and as I said, Trump apparently wants his new justice to vote to uphold the decision, so that has given the effort some extra clout.
So that is why these New jersey laws seem important.
I am not a lawyer, so that is why I am posting to ask questions.
But a lawsuit in Texas declared Obamacare unconstitutional, and this ruling has survived every appeal and will be heard before the Supreme Court.
It will be heard in late 2020, or early 2021.
If the Supreme Court does not over turn the lower courts' decisions, the lower courts' decisions will stand, and the law will be revoked. Very possibly, this will not happen, as you say.
But, should it happen, I wonder what these new New Jersey laws will be like.
Just a small correction, the court did not determine Obamacare was unconstitutional. It determined the individual mandate provision was.
As to the New Jersey bill, the OP said it was going to be similar to the Massachusetts healthcare plan, which was enacted by Mitt Romney many years ago. So I suppose we can look to that to see what this might be like.
Oh thanks! I actually don't know exactly how this works.
The individual mandate required that every adult carry a minimum amount of health insurance. This was made part of the bill to ensure that younger people would become part of the system, thus keeping costs low. The courts have determined that requiring people to have insurance is unconstitutional. So now we still have older and sicker people on Obamacare without younger, healthier people to balance it out. Challenging the mandate was designed as a preemptory strike to try to dismantle the entirety of Obamacare. I think they were hoping it would just collapse on its own after that.
I'm just curious, because from what Governor Murphy says, the ACA will continue in New Jersey, with no changes, regardless of what happens on the federal level. Do other people read it that way?
(edit to add, I am the OP, and it was my speculation that it looks similar to the Massachusetts law. (it seemed like that to me, just reading the press release.) But I wonder if anyone has more info?)
I am not a lawyer, so that is why I am posting to ask questions.
But a lawsuit in Texas declared Obamacare unconstitutional, and this ruling has survived every appeal and will be heard before the Supreme Court.
It will be heard in late 2020, or early 2021.
If the Supreme Court does not over turn the lower courts' decisions, the lower courts' decisions will stand, and the law will be revoked. Very possibly, this will not happen, as you say.
But, should it happen, I wonder what these new New Jersey laws will be like.
would it revoke the entire law or just the portion of it that is deemed unconstitutional?
The individual mandate required that every adult carry a minimum amount of health insurance. This was made part of the bill to ensure that younger people would become part of the system, thus keeping costs low. The courts have determined that requiring people to have insurance is unconstitutional. So now we still have older and sicker people on Obamacare without younger, healthier people to balance it out. Challenging the mandate was designed as a preemptory strike to try to dismantle the entirety of Obamacare. I think they were hoping it would just collapse on its own after that.
yes, i thought it was the individual mandate that was the issue and it would likely be struck down while everything else stays. however, this could be a poison pill once you lose all the young healthy people that are paying for the older and sicker people. id imagine the government will just have the kick in more money. there is no longer an attachment between government spending and receipts. we are going to find out sooner or later what that means to the economy.
yes, i thought it was the individual mandate that was the issue and it would likely be struck down while everything else stays. however, this could be a poison pill once you lose all the young healthy people that are paying for the older and sicker people. id imagine the government will just have the kick in more money. there is no longer an attachment between government spending and receipts. we are going to find out sooner or later what that means to the economy.
Obamacare was just a large pyramid scheme. Murphy adding some non-sense healthcare plan is another reason to leave this state.
Just a small correction, the court did not determine Obamacare was unconstitutional. It determined the individual mandate provision was.
As to the New Jersey bill, the OP said it was going to be similar to the Massachusetts healthcare plan, which was enacted by Mitt Romney many years ago. So I suppose we can look to that to see what this might be like.
The basis for all these health plans was a design from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank with long connections to the Republican Party. One of the most important points of the plan is the individual mandate. This was important to the Heritage Foundation because, besides making sure that everybody now had access to primary health care, they wanted to make sure people paid something for the access. This leads to reduced costs for health care as people go to doctors for regular visits/minor issues vs going to emergency rooms after they already have a huge issue. If they have no insurance, those of us with insurance plus the Federal and State governments (We the people) pay.
Romney's plan is working well in Mass, but there have been many updates and changes. ACA needs updates and changes, but once the Republicans controlled Congress, they just wanted ACA/Obamacare to fail. When Sen McCain voted to keep it, the Republicans immediately went to court rather than trying to fix ACA.
ACA's individual mandate comes from the conservative value of paying your own way and not looking for handouts and freebees. Today's Republicans have corrupted this principal.
ACA's individual mandate comes from the conservative value of paying your own way and not looking for handouts and freebees. Today's Republicans have corrupted this principal.
it was my understanding that it was to force young healthy people to buy insurance so they could subsidize the costs of the old and sick people.
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