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Old 04-14-2021, 09:38 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It is indeed #3, while NJ is #11 on that same list.
And, according to the folks at Stanford Med and Johns Hopkins Med, Florida's vulnerability level is "very high", while NJ's vulnerability level is "medium".
most of the stuff that appears to be in that "vulnerability" calculation is not really important. the only thing that seems to matter and the largest difference (other than the fact that NJ has many more cases per capita), is the ICU capacity.

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Old 04-14-2021, 09:48 AM
 
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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and almost 3x the population.
Bingo!!!
 
Old 04-14-2021, 10:00 AM
 
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Once everybody is vaccinated they will start lifting restrictions for the mask, I would strongly assume so.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 10:21 AM
 
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most of the stuff that appears to be in that "vulnerability" calculation is not really important. the only thing, it largest difference other than the fact that NJ has many more cases per capita, is the ICU capacity.
Which was the whole point of the exercise.

By the way, there's a NJ COVID ICU bed open as of last night. My sister was moved out ICU and transported to another facility that specializes in longer-term recovery care.
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Old 04-14-2021, 10:23 AM
 
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We have 3 times the population and with snowbirds and college kids there are around 30 million people here. Teachers are in school teaching without complaining daily. Restaurants open etc. I'm not saying who is right or wrong I'm just using fla. as a comparision as we are here now. One thing NJ,NY, Mich., Cal. govts. should be happy that Biden won or they would of been screwed financially.
I would say if anything, NJ is the perfect example of restrictions working, because when the tightest restrictions were in place, the numbers went down to like nothing.

Whether or not you think those large numbers of infections 'mean anything' is a different story, but...
 
Old 04-14-2021, 10:27 AM
 
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Which was the whole point of the exercise.

By the way, there's a NJ COVID ICU bed open as of last night. My sister was moved out ICU and transported to another facility that specializes in longer-term recovery care.
Sorry to hear that... I hope she recovers.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 10:33 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Which was the whole point of the exercise.

By the way, there's a NJ COVID ICU bed open as of last night. My sister was moved out ICU and transported to another facility that specializes in longer-term recovery care.
well, the whole point was to keep people from dying. one of the goals for this purpose has been to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. but the most important statstic is deaths, i think. if i just look at the most recent 1 week average deaths for NJ on google, its 35, and the same for Florida is 49.

so florida has 40% more deaths than NJ.

however, NJ has 8.97 million population and florida 22.2 million (probably more now that so many people have moved there but lets use that).

so that is a 40% more deaths and 2.5 times the populaton. so that tells me that NJ has substantially higher deaths per capita.

Just to take a peek at totals to not be cherry picking, deaths: NJ: 24,945 vs Florida: 34,119

and i am glad to hear that your sister is improving!
 
Old 04-14-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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well, the whole point was to keep people from dying. one of the goals for this purpose has been to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. but the most important statstic is deaths, i think. if i just look at the most recent 1 week average deaths for NJ on google, its 35, and the same for Florida is 49.

so florida has 40% more deaths than NJ.

however, NJ has 8.97 million population and florida 22.2 million (probably more now that so many people have moved there but lets use that).

so that is a 40% more deaths and 2.5 times the populaton. so that tells me that NJ has substantially higher deaths per capita.

Just to take a peek at totals to not be cherry picking, deaths: NJ: 24,945 vs Florida: 34,119

and i am glad to hear that your sister is improving!
You're really just arguing for political reasons.

Even if the masks don't work, staying at home under quarantine does ... and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you don't leave your house, you don't spread viruses.

So, then we could argue ... do away with the masks and stay under quarantine (including getting pulled over if you drive at night), and that is a 100% effective way not to spread. How much do you want to bet me the numbers go down then?

But you don't really care about the masks, you just want to argue against any restrictions period... which is an entirely different topic.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:04 PM
 
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For those of us who are customer-facing and have to wear them 8+ hours per day, they’re incredibly uncomfortable. It gets sweaty under there and a little hard to breathe when speaking for a long time. It hides your smile which seems like not a big deal but in sales and customer service, it matters a lot. I also don’t see proof that they’re really working. I want to be respectful of other people’s (reasonable) fears but we can’t go on like this forever. We’ve got to go back to normal at some point and I think it needs to be sometime this year.
As I said most people. Most people do not wear them 8 hours a day
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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As I said most people. Most people do not wear them 8 hours a day

Despite the work-from-home trend, most people still physically go to work and are around other people. And if that’s the case, you’re probably required to be masked up.
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