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Old 08-12-2021, 07:10 AM
 
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Since I am a numbers guy, I went to the CDC to look at their raw data
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Age/9bhg-hcku

all data as of 8/7/2021

Here is what is there for NJ. Please note that for privacy reasons, CDC doesn’t report numbers less than 10. If you add up all of the nonblank, you get a number 5 less than the total, so only 5 residents under 14 have passed. Further looking at the data, there was a blank for 1-4 years in May/2020, and under 1 for Aug/2020, Dec/2020 and April/2020. There is also a blank on 5-14, for Nov/2020. So 5 blanks, and 5 missing, so each blank HAS to be 1. That means only 1 death of a NJ resident age 5-14 since this thing has started. So what about 15-17? Well there is another set of numbers that show 5 deaths between 0-17, and since there are 5 between 0-14, that means there are 0 from 15-17.


All Ages 24,877
Under 1 year <blank>
1-4 years <blank>
5-14 years <blank>
15-24 years 27
25-34 years 187
35-44 years 462
45-54 years 1,356
55-64 years 3,335
65-74 years 5,153
75-84 years 6,525
85+ years 7,827


All Ages 24,877
0-17 years <blank>
18-29 years 107
30-39 years 289
40-49 years 779
50-64 years 4,192
65-74 years 5,153
75-84 years 6,525
85+ years 7,827
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:24 AM
 
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If you put this on twitter or facebook you'd be banned since it doesn't fit the narrative.
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Old 08-12-2021, 08:28 AM
 
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It looks like more kids are becoming infected than ever before. More exposure, or something different about the delta variant, who's to say?

But the reason why we protect our kids is obvious to parents: they're germ factories. If they catch covid, they're spreading it to the whole family, or to their teachers. The vaccines are showing that they aren't 95% effective like we've hoped (estimates range between 40-80%) and our elders are still at risk.

We need to keep children safe not only because there's a good possibility delta is more virulent in kids, and because we still need to protect elders and those who are more ill.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:25 AM
 
Location: NJ
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It looks like more kids are becoming infected than ever before. More exposure, or something different about the delta variant, who's to say?

But the reason why we protect our kids is obvious to parents: they're germ factories. If they catch covid, they're spreading it to the whole family, or to their teachers. The vaccines are showing that they aren't 95% effective like we've hoped (estimates range between 40-80%) and our elders are still at risk.

We need to keep children safe not only because there's a good possibility delta is more virulent in kids, and because we still need to protect elders and those who are more ill.
A disservice to publish death toll w/o accompanying demographics and medical history.

speaks to political intent.

Was that one year old compromised in some serious way, was covid DX the cause of death or just tested positive w or w/o clinical signs.

To say a 1 year old died spreads fear.

We see apparently healthy people, as far as we are told, die from covid and people in their nineties survive w/o much ado.

the differences must be explained and that comes with the study of the vaccine safety data and final approval.

Many FDA approved drugs are removed form the market because of post marketing adverse events. Sometime a look at the data submitted for approval has hidden signs of safety issues not seen until enough real world data is submitted. That is why the approval process takes as long as it does.

What happens if the FDA doesn't approve the vaccine???

Wait for 1-900 lawyers to post ads on TV.

Unfortunately this disease has become so politicized we will never get a true picture of what is actually happening and the actual numbers of incidents and occurrences. Financial reimbursement gets in the way and medical coding can be very subjective.

No discussion of covid infections can be complete w/o including the disease vector Biden dispersing covid/delta positives throughout the nation and doing it silently. Are these outbreaks near drop of points? Why does the government 'surprise' states and towns with infected covid cases w/o prior announcement????

If this isn't a case of creating a problem to fit a solution, nothing is.

If this is not a criminal offense worthy of removal from office, nothing is.
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Old 08-12-2021, 12:28 PM
 
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How dare you look at facts!! Get the vaccine you racist!
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Old 08-12-2021, 04:30 PM
 
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I just Googled "COVID survivability rate" and I got a whole PAGE of links not answering the question, but instead trying to say that there is over a 98% chance of surviving COVID "aren't true."

Unreal.
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Old 08-13-2021, 10:50 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As of Aug 11, 2021, there have been 1,330 deaths in 0-17 age group in US due to Pneumonia, Influenza, or Covid.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

As per the "Covid survivability rate", one can calculate using the total number of positive cases and the mortality.
Total confirmed cases = 36,326,952
Total confirmed deaths = 619,200
Survivability rate = 100-((619200*100)/36326952) = 98.3%
However, this number is an average, and would look significantly different if plotted by age groups. Much higher in the 65+ and 45+ age groups, and much lower for younger demography.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/
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Old 08-13-2021, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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As of Aug 11, 2021, there have been 1,330 deaths in 0-17 age group in US due to Pneumonia, Influenza, or Covid.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex

As per the "Covid survivability rate", one can calculate using the total number of positive cases and the mortality.
Total confirmed cases = 36,326,952
Total confirmed deaths = 619,200
Survivability rate = 100-((619200*100)/36326952) = 98.3%
However, this number is an average, and would look significantly different if plotted by age groups. Much higher in the 65+ and 45+ age groups, and much lower for younger demography.
Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

Not everyone who gets covid seeks medical help or even gets tested, so that "total confirmed cases" number is probably too low, which means the survivability rate should be higher.
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Old 08-13-2021, 04:13 PM
 
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I just don't understand this mask mandate on kids thing.

Now, of course that one death of a "school-aged" person is bad. But I have many many questions.

This whole thing is fascinating, in a bizarre way.

You want to wear a mask, wear a mask. But nobody should be forced to....
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Old 08-14-2021, 03:16 AM
 
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I just don't understand this mask mandate on kids thing.

Now, of course that one death of a "school-aged" person is bad. But I have many many questions.

This whole thing is fascinating, in a bizarre way.

You want to wear a mask, wear a mask. But nobody should be forced to....
There are few videos on youtube. One of the most compelling theories i have read is , this whole thing is a amalgamation of different variations of virtue signaling. The rationale being that it is selectively advantageous for ppl to signal their morality and righteousness(regardless if its real) because it is a efficient way to elevate ones status within a group. Signaling perceived helpfulness cost less energy than actually helpfulness. Of course we have the few that are genuinely fearful, genuinely vulnerable and the ppl/entities that are trying to make money. Just a theory
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