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Old 08-16-2022, 06:23 AM
 
Location: My house
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i was looking at the property taxes on 3 houses I have owned and own currently and their property tax increases from 2012 to 2022 - a 10 year period. all in bergen county

house #1: urban area, 3 br 1.5 bath 1920s colonial on 40 x 90 lot
2012 taxes: 4,200
2022 taxes: 7,200
avg increase per year: 300

house #2: suburban area,1950s cape cod, 3 br, 1 bath on 50x100 lot
2012 taxes: 7,000
2022 taxes: 10,000
avg increase per year: 300

house #3: elite haughtyville type suburb, 3 br 1 bath 1950s ranch
2012 taxes: 10,000
2022 taxes: 12,400
avg increase per year: 240

so to me it seems that the property taxes seem to go up about 300 per year on average. given the current rate of increases, how much are you willing to pay before you consider your housing payment to be unaffordable. also does your income outpace your property tax increases? mine certainly wasn’t keeping up.
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Old 08-16-2022, 07:06 AM
 
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Wait until they become creative and start increasing utilities instead of raising property taxes. My water bill went from like $80 a quarter in 2020 to $500 a quarter in 2021.
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Old 08-16-2022, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Gila County Arizona
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Wait until they become creative and start increasing utilities instead of raising property taxes. My water bill went from like $80 a quarter in 2020 to $500 a quarter in 2021.


Question.... Does that include your sewer bill?

When I lived in "The Occupied Zone", My sewer bill came payable twice a year, totaling an amount equal to my total water bill.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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Question.... Does that include your sewer bill?

When I lived in "The Occupied Zone", My sewer bill came payable twice a year, totaling an amount equal to my total water bill.
Yes it includes my sewer. Usage is maybe 10% of the bill the rest is sewer etc.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:42 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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An average increase of $300 per year is $25 extra on each mortgage payment. That's cheaper than my daily commute to NYC. Doesn't sound like a breaking point.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:52 AM
 
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Who cares about tax. As long as you can make big profit when selling it in few years.
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Old 08-16-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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Eh… it could be worse. My old apartment in Bergen County now rents for approx. $400 more than I’m paying all-in, with property taxes, on my five-year-old townhouse in Western Morris County. Taxes ain’t cheap here, of course, but they’re more reasonable than in many other towns.

It’s gonna take a while to break me…
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Old 08-16-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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An average increase of $300 per year is $25 extra on each mortgage payment. That's cheaper than my daily commute to NYC. Doesn't sound like a breaking point.
well it is a big deal when your entire take home paycheck for 2 weeks work goes to your mortgage and taxes, and when your pay doesn’t go up, but all other expenses do such as healthcare, which is a big part of the deductions taken out of your paycheck
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Old 08-16-2022, 12:59 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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given the current rate of increases, how much are you willing to pay before you consider your housing payment to be unaffordable. also does your income outpace your property tax increases? mine certainly wasn’t keeping up.

1923 build, burbs, 50x100 lot, 900+ sqft, 2 bed/1 bath, Morris county, 5 person family. purchased in 2000

Mine is going up approx 200 a year. In the grand scheme of things, its not that bad even through there are bigger homes in the area that have almost the same property tax (we are fighting it). What is the alternative here... rent? My mortgage+insurance+tax payment currently would barely pay for a large enough apartment for 5. I would be subject to possibly much larger increases in rent at the discretion of the landlord who is probably examining market values. I wouldn't have any backyard for my children at all. I wouldn't have much to show in terms of long term investment. My property is almost 3x what i paid for it. I have the option of pulling a home equity loan for emergencies at a much lower rate than personal loans. I'm also in a desirable area; nice town, nice downtown, walking distance from train that services to NYC and good schools. I am also 2-4 years (depending how much extra I put in) from payoff currently at just under 3% rate.

It would take a significant increase in property taxes to convince me to sell. After pay off, even more so. If property taxes jumped significantly, I have neighbors with much bigger financial obligations that would raise hell... I'm at the bottom of the range for property and I am glad. If anything the property taxes (and cost of materials/labor) is factor that I reconsidered actual renovations/expansion of my home. The actual jump in property values is what convinced us to make do with what we have...

There are so many factors to consider than just the monthly payment here. Unless renting is significantly cheaper, difference can be re-invested or one needs mobility, I see very little upside to renting in my area. In my family situation, even more so.

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Old 08-16-2022, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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All about the cost to rent versus owning.
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