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Old 01-04-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: South Orange, NJ
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A lot of italian towns are expensive. And a lot of them are really blue collar.

the blue collar ones im familiar with are Lyndhurst, Nutley, South Hackensack, North Arlington, Lodi, belleville, the Rutherfords, Teterboro, Hasbrouck Heights, Wood Ridge, Moonachie, Little Ferry and maybe bloomfield. Belleville and Bloomfield are quickly fading off the list of towns im familiar with because of the overflow of ex Newark residents finding somewhere better.

The best blue collar Italian town i think would be Hasbrouck Heights.

(and the reason i didnt name other high percentage towns in the rest of jersey is because im not familiar with them or there yuppy)
Newark is an alright town. It is not all bad, I hear ya.

and thanks you mentioned some towns that I never really would have thought of like Hasbrouck Heights, Wood Ridge, Moonachie, Little Ferry.

I didn't know there was an actual town of Teterboro I thought it was just an airport. same w/ the Rutherfords, i thought it was just apartments around Giants Stadium.

and whats the deal with South Hackensack? i heard its like separated out or something? it sounded like a strange town. does anyone know about this?

its also funny what you consider to be blue collar towns. I don't consider Nutley very blue collar, not even Lyndhurst. there actually both really nice towns, but because of their proximity to Manhattan, they are a kind of urban.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Teaneck, NJ
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Newark is an alright town. It is not all bad, I hear ya.

and thanks you mentioned some towns that I never really would have thought of like Hasbrouck Heights, Wood Ridge, Moonachie, Little Ferry.

I didn't know there was an actual town of Teterboro I thought it was just an airport. same w/ the Rutherfords, i thought it was just apartments around Giants Stadium.

and whats the deal with South Hackensack? i heard its like separated out or something? it sounded like a strange town. does anyone know about this?

its also funny what you consider to be blue collar towns. I don't consider Nutley very blue collar, not even Lyndhurst. there actually both really nice towns, but because of their proximity to Manhattan, they are a kind of urban.
Yea, i actually didnt mention Hasbrouck Heights, Wood Ridge, Teterboro, Moonachie, and Little Ferry at first.. then i edited it when i just relized it. And yes South Hackensack is a weird town, i dont know why they just didnt add it to Hackensack because it only consist of a little over 2,000 people and a lot of it is oddly industrial with random factories and all. Its shaped kinda like maryland, and im not sure why its broken apart the way it is.

And as for Lyndhurst, i think it's blue collar because of the numerous multi family houses that are actually decent rent for Bergen County. Nutley, is a little bit more upscaled than Lyndhurst, but not much (my sister lives in Lyndhurst so i know the details) she rents a 2 bedroom apartment thats good size in a 4 family home for $1,000. And when i was looking to move from college i saw a lot of good deals in Lyndhurst (but it was too close to my sister haha, i kid)

Hope you find what you're looking for
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: South Orange, NJ
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Yeah, thanks to everyone who contributed. My personal search to find out more about my heritage is going well. It's good to hear other people's voices, especially because I am not familiar with Bergen County, which is the #1 place for Italian-Americans in Jersey. #2 i believe is Essex, which is closer to where I am.

does anyone know about any shore areas or areas down in South Jersey like Hammonton? that area is #2 in the nation! which is more abundant for the paisans, North or South or even Central Jersey?
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:18 PM
 
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Yeah, thanks to everyone who contributed. My personal search to find out more about my heritage is going well. It's good to hear other people's voices, especially because I am not familiar with Bergen County, which is the #1 place for Italian-Americans in Jersey. #2 i believe is Essex, which is closer to where I am.

does anyone know about any shore areas or areas down in South Jersey like Hammonton? that area is #2 in the nation! which is more abundant for the paisans, North or South or even Central Jersey?
strapani, i already commented on the state's distribution of italians in post #6 of this thread.
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Old 01-04-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: South Orange, NJ
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strapani, i already commented on the state's distribution of italians in post #6 of this thread.
yeah i know, and you did a good job too. no offense to the others but i find that post to be one of the most helpful. ALL posts are appreciated though.

i was just wondering if there were any locals of that area who could fill me in on some history. that's all.
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:10 AM
 
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Default whatsa matta you, no Garfield

I no can believe Garfiels didn't even crack into the top 50 of the list. Maybe because the latest data shows a heavy latin influx. But back in the day you couldn't get any more Italian than Harrison Ave with it's restaurants, deli's, cheese shops and made guys driving caddy's and Masseratti's.
My first kiss from an Italian girl: from Garfield. My first italian sub: from the Sub Base in Garfield. My first real italian bread: from Fragalie's Bakery in Garfield. And when they had the Italian feasts at Century Field they had the best zepollies. Garfield not on the list? Youse gotta be kiddin' me!

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per the link in the previous post, here is a list of all places in new jersey where italian-americans constitute at least 25% of the total population according to the 2000 census:

State Rank, Community name, County, Place type, % Italian, and Nationwide rank
1) Hammonton, NJ (Atlantic County) town 45.9 (2nd highest percentage nationwide)
2) Totowa, NJ (Passaic County) borough 37.7 (9th)
3) Fairfield, NJ (Essex County) township 37.2 (11th)
4) South Hackensack, NJ (Bergen County) township 36.3 (14th)
5) Nutley, NJ (Essex County) township 36.0 (16th)
6) East Hanover, NJ (Morris County) township 35.6 (19th)
7) West Paterson, NJ (Passaic County) borough 34.3 (23rd)
8) Lyndhurst, NJ (Bergen County) township 33.8 (25th)
9) Buena, NJ (Atlantic County) borough 33.5 (28th)
10) Roseland, NJ (Essex County) borough 32.0 (35th)
11) Carlstadt, NJ (Bergen County) borough 31.2 (41st)
12) Wood-Ridge, NJ (Bergen County) borough 30.9 (44th)
13) Hasbrouck Heights, NJ (Bergen County) borough 30.8 (46th)
14) West Long Branch, NJ (Monmouth County) borough 30.5 (50th)
15) Netcong, NJ (Morris County) borough 30.1(61st)
16) Gibbstown, NJ (section of Greenwich Township in Gloucester County) populated place 30.1 (63rd)
17) Newfield, NJ (Gloucester County) borough 29.8 (67th)
18) Saddle Brook, NJ (Bergen County) township 29.8 (69th)
19) Cedar Grove, NJ (Essex County) township 29.7 (71st)
20) Lodi, NJ (Bergen County) borough 29.4 (81st)
21) Greenwich, NJ (Gloucester County) township 29.3 (83rd)
22) Raritan, NJ (Somerset County) borough 29.2 (88th)
23) West Caldwell, NJ (Essex County) township 29.1 (89th)
24) Glendora, NJ (section of Gloucester Township in Camden County) populated place 28.7 (95th)
25) Belleville, NJ (Essex County) township 28.7 (96th)
26) Little Falls, NJ (Passaic County) township 28.6 (101st)
27) Moonachie, NJ (Bergen County) borough 28.5 (102nd)
28) Kenilworth, NJ (Union County) borough 28.0 (107th)
29) Oceanport, NJ (Monmouth County) borough 27.7 (117th)
30) Lavallette, NJ (Ocean County) borough 27.7 (119th)
31) North Haledon, NJ (Passaic County) borough 27.6 (122nd)
32) Longport, NJ (Atlantic County) borough 27.3 (130th)
33) Folsom, NJ (Atlantic County) borough 27.3(131st)
34) Turnersville, NJ (section of Washington Township in Gloucester County) populated place 27.3 (133rd)
35) Port Reading, NJ (section of Woodbridge Township in Middlesex County) populated place 26.9 (140th)
36) Verona, NJ (Essex County) township 26.9 (141st)
37) Hawthorne, NJ (Passaic County) borough 26.5 (147th)
38) Rochelle Park, NJ (Bergen County) township 26.1 (163rd)
39) Washington, NJ (Gloucester County) township 25.9 (171st)
40) Forked River, NJ (section of Lacey Township in Ocean County) populated place 25.9 (172nd)
41) Berkeley, NJ (Ocean County) township 25.7 (176th)
42) Ocean Gate, NJ (Ocean County) borough 25.6 (178th)
43) Blackwood, NJ (section of Gloucester Township in Camden County) populated place 25.5 (182nd)
44) Hazlet, NJ (Monmouth County) township 25.4(185th)
45) Belford, NJ (section of Middletown Township in Monmouth County) populated place 25.3(192nd)
46) Mount Ephraim, NJ (Camden County) borough 25.3 (193rd)
47) Clark, NJ (Union County) township 25.2 (198th)
48) Riverdale, NJ (Morris County) borough 25.1 (204th)
49) East Rutherford, NJ (Bergen County) borough 25.1 (205th)

some comments on this data:

not surprisingly, new jersey has a ton of places in which a quarter or more of all residents are of italian heritage. bergen county leads the way with ten of the 49 places on this list (virtually all in the southern part of the county near the meadowlands). essex county has the second most representation with seven communities on the list, while passaic and gloucester counties follow with five each, monmouth, atlantic, and ocean counties have four each, morris and camden counties have three each, union county has two, and middlesex and somerset counties have one each. nine of new jersey's 21 counties do not have a community where at least 25% of the population is of italian descent.

when analyzed by region, 27 of the 49 places on this list are in north jersey (bergen, essex, passaic, morris, union), six are in central jersey (monmouth, middlesex, somerset), and 16 are in south jersey (gloucester, atlantic, ocean, camden).

when analyzed by metropolitan area, 37 of the places on this list are in the nyc metro (with ocean county included) while 12 are in the philly/delaware valley metro (with atlantic county included).

if you click on the link in the previous post and look at the map at the top of the page, you'll notice that the highest concentrations of italians are overwhelmingly located in the philly-nj-nyc-connecticut-rhode island-boston corridor. there are communities with plenty of italians in upstate ny and western pennsylvania as well, plus a few in suburban chicago and suburban cleveland, but for the most part italians are heavily concentrated in the urban/suburban northeast corridor, with nj right in the middle of everything.

in that same link, you'll also notice that the entire borough of staten island is 33.5% italian. that's insane, especially given the increasing amount of non-italian migration into the borough (russians, asians, latinos, african-americans) in recent years. back in the 1980s, the percentage of italians residing on the island was almost certainly over 40%, which would be an impressive number for a small town of 5,000, let alone an entire borough with hundreds of thousands of residents.
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Old 01-05-2009, 06:42 AM
 
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I no can believe Garfiels didn't even crack into the top 50 of the list. Maybe because the latest data shows a heavy latin influx. But back in the day you couldn't get any more Italian than Harrison Ave with it's restaurants, deli's, cheese shops and made guys driving caddy's and Masseratti's.
My first kiss from an Italian girl: from Garfield. My first italian sub: from the Sub Base in Garfield. My first real italian bread: from Fragalie's Bakery in Garfield. And when they had the Italian feasts at Century Field they had the best zepollies. Garfield not on the list? Youse gotta be kiddin' me!
garfield has been losing its italian-american population for years. the older generation of italians has mostly moved away or passed on and been replaced by latinos and especially polish immigrants. in fact, the white population of the city is now primarily polish.

lodi has also lost a lot of italians, but it still has a larger presence than garfield. for the really italian towns in bergen county, you have to look at nearby communities like south hackensack, hasbrouck heights, wood-ridge, carlstadt, lyndhurst, etc.
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Old 01-05-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: South Orange, NJ
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man-o-man. that was really great. a nice little blurb about Garfield. as I was saying in another blog I have a friend in that area. currently lives in Wallington, grew up in Garfield. he's very Italian, but lately those two areas have seen a large increase of Polish immigrants.

but wow, that was a good post. it's those kind of stories that make me proud of my heritage. you know, us Italians are the dominant ancestry here in the Garden State, and I must make a statement that Italian culture heavily influences are state's "culture". i don't know if culture is the right word to use, but you know what I'm talking about. it's our states identity. our identity as New Jerseyans, or Jersey Girls and Boys... by the way what are people from New Jersey called, do we have an official name? i always just told people I'm from Jersey. I never said i was a New Jerseyan or a Jersey Boy. Not like a New Yorker or a Bostonian.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:08 PM
 
Location: South Orange, NJ
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Default Updated List

Bergen County
1.Lyndhurst
2.Carlstadt (You think it would be like German or Dutch)
3.Hasbrouck Heights
4.Wood-Ridge (The hyphen makes it looks weird)
5. Moonachie
6. Little Ferry
7. Saddle Brook
8. North Arlington (is there a South Arlington?)
9. Elmwood Park

(Towns with former glory and/or weird towns)
1. Lodi
2. Garfield
3. South Hackensack

Essex County
1. Fairfield
2. Roseland
3. The Caldwells
4. Cedar Grove/Verona
5. Bloomfield (former)
6. Nutley/Belleville (current/former)
7. West Orange

Morris County
1. East Hanover

Passaic County
1. Totowa
2. Little Falls
3. West Paterson (Woodland Park?)
4. North Haledon
5. Hawthorne
6. Clifton (possibly former)

Hudson County
1. Bayonne (former)
2. Kearny
3. Secaucus

South Jersey
1. Hammonton

not really to familiar with South Jersey
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Kearny is most def not "Italian" nowadays. Old Irish & new Hispanic immigrants dominate, for the most part.
It's very gritty, but I like it. Kearny will be transformed with the construction of Red Bull Arena (The major league soccer stadium). Luxe condos & retail tailored to others around the stadium.
It's actually something I am curious to see. Kearny could spark a Newark renaissance.
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