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Old 03-06-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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My real question is....after this, um "speech"....how does that relate with NJ hating PA?


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I've wondered why so many people from NJ and NYC move to PA and are hell bent on turning PA into a socialist paradise. I assume pure hatred is the only logical reason. Haven't we burned enough of the east coast to the ground?
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Piscataway, New Jersey
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Personally, I think the east coast is the only part of this country I'd wanna live in.

Of course, I'm not white, my parents are immigrants, so clearly that means I don't speak any English and leach off taxpayers... which might explain my affinity for the burnt to the ground east coast.

Except none of those conclusions are true, my race and lineage notwithstanding.

Sometimes, I wonder if the liberal vs conservative political battle being waged in this country is really just a civil war between opposite factions of white people. As a man of color, I wonder, which group would I want to have a beer with? Wait, no - make that a soy latte.
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Personally, I think the east coast is the only part of this country I'd wanna live in.

Of course, I'm not white, my parents are immigrants, so clearly that means I don't speak any English and leach off taxpayers... which might explain my affinity for the burnt to the ground east coast.

Except none of those conclusions are true, my race and lineage notwithstanding.

Sometimes, I wonder if the liberal vs conservative political battle being waged in this country is really just a civil war between opposite factions of white people. As a man of color, I wonder, which group would I want to have a beer with? Wait, no - make that a soy latte.
I was beginning to wonder why nobody played the race card yet. Obviously someone would have to be a bigot to not enjoy paying $600,000 for a house that would go for $200,000 in Iowa. Obviously someone would have to be a homophobe, racist, warmonger if they don't enjoy paying insane property taxes, love paying huge tolls for bridges, tunnels, and NJ Transit. And if someone doesn't enjoy paying huge state, local, and school taxes to support some pathetic school districts infested with illegal moochers...then they aren't even real Americans. Real Americans simply pay their taxes and shut the hell up. Love of political corruption and paying taxes is what formed this country, right?
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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Personally, I think the east coast is the only part of this country I'd wanna live in.

Of course, I'm not white, my parents are immigrants, so clearly that means I don't speak any English and leach off taxpayers... which might explain my affinity for the burnt to the ground east coast.

Except none of those conclusions are true, my race and lineage notwithstanding.

Sometimes, I wonder if the liberal vs conservative political battle being waged in this country is really just a civil war between opposite factions of white people. As a man of color, I wonder, which group would I want to have a beer with? Wait, no - make that a soy latte.
Immigrant? The OP used illegal. Big difference and of course if we Americans get fed up with lawbreakers putting HUGE drains on our tax dollars, we are labeled racists.

Believe it or not, not everyone who wants immigration laws upheld is a white conservative racist. Those people who want borders enforced and lawbreakers shown the door come from all walks of life. You know that, however, you choose to use the race card and use the term immigrant when the OP was clearly talking about illegal aliens.
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Piscataway, New Jersey
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I was beginning to wonder why nobody played the race card yet.
Count the number of times you used the word 'white' in your original post.
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Piscataway, New Jersey
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You know that, however, you choose to use the race card and use the term immigrant when the OP was clearly talking about illegal aliens.
The OP used the word 'white' in his rant against liberals. The race card was already played. This thread is the race card.

And how does the OP know who is illegal and who isn't? Does he have access to DHS databases? Does he ask for papers? If he does, does he even know of the few dozen forms of paperwork that entitle people to legal residence in the United States?

More often than not, we see people from a certain part of the world who don't speak English, doing jobs we associate with illegal migrants, and assume.

You know what they say about assumptions and the 'people' who make them, don't you?

Check out this link - DHS | Immigration Statistics (http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/statistics/ - broken link). Tons of people come to this country legally, from 'that' part of the world. Many of them start off doing menial work. Many of them speak little to no English.

So yes, it's my personal opinion that the people who see people who fit that profile and yell "illegals" are almost always pissed off racists. Because the fact is, the US government doesn't make legal immigrants walk around with their papers plastered to their forehead (yet).
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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Count the number of times you used the word 'white' in your original post.
I glanced over the post and counted twice. Was that too much? Should I have only mentioned white once? Or is once too much for an entire paragraph? Everytime I use the word I put a quarter in my "diversity jar" and the money goes to the NAACP...does that make it more acceptable? Am I progressive now?
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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The OP used the word 'white' in his rant against liberals. The race card was already played. This thread is the race card.

And how does the OP know who is illegal and who isn't? Does he have access to DHS databases? Does he ask for papers? If he does, does he even know of the few dozen forms of paperwork that entitle people to legal residence in the United States?

More often than not, we see people from a certain part of the world who don't speak English, doing jobs we associate with illegal migrants, and assume.

You know what they say about assumptions and the 'people' who make them, don't you?

Check out this link - DHS | Immigration Statistics (http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/statistics/ - broken link). Tons of people come to this country legally, from 'that' part of the world. Many of them start off doing menial work. Many of them speak little to no English.

So yes, it's my personal opinion that the people who see people who fit that profile and yell "illegals" are almost always pissed off racists. Because the fact is, the US government doesn't make legal immigrants walk around with their papers plastered to their forehead (yet).
I don't need an education on immigration. Regardless of whatever else the OP said-he used the term illegal. You proceeded to use the term immigrant and use the race card. The fact is that there are millions of illegal aliens here in our country costing us billions of dollars. Another fact is that they have no right to be here. It has nothing to do with color, race, or looking at someone and guessing what they are or where they come from. There are millions of people here illegally. This is not guessing, or profiling-this is fact.
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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Sadly, even when mentioning race for accuracy, you can be labeled as a racist if you are white. Let's be clear, all sides have their share of bigots. But only white racism gets the intense stare of the media. Just look at the recent flap in a Detroit City meeting. Could you imagine the justifiable outrage had a black citizen been told to leave a majority white city meeting? Or been addressed from the podium as "not looking like me"?

These are horribly partisan times, and equally racially devisive. I hope it changes for the sake of my children and grandchildren, but it's going to linger and maybe increase, I fear. We have lost the ability to cast matters of fairness and justice in non-partisan terms.

It seems like EVERY issue is now cast in terms of political position.
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Old 03-06-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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Sadly, even when mentioning race for accuracy, you can be labeled as a racist if you are white. Let's be clear, all sides have their share of bigots. But only white racism gets the intense stare of the media. Just look at the recent flap in a Detroit City meeting. Could you imagine the justifiable outrage had a black citizen been told to leave a majority white city meeting? Or been addressed from the podium as "not looking like me"?

These are horribly partisan times, and equally racially devisive. I hope it changes for the sake of my children and grandchildren, but it's going to linger and maybe increase, I fear. We have lost the ability to cast matters of fairness and justice in non-partisan terms.

It seems like EVERY issue is now cast in terms of political position.
And if you're black you get labeled as a complainer, a rabble-rouser, and many other things I dare not repeat. So who's right and who's wrong?

White racism deservedly gets the intense stare of the media because it happens FAR too often in proportion to black racism (whatever that is). White racism gets spotlighted because blacks make it a priority to speak out on it, the same way that Jews, Latinos, and women do as well.

All sides have their bigots and racist, this is true. But if ANYONE thinks black racism in any shape, form, or fashion equates to white racism they've had one too many hits of the happy powder.
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