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Old 04-30-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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just because 51% (or whatever it actually is, im just using your example) say one thing, doesnt mean the other 49% should no longer have their beliefs represented. the republicans are now there to be the opposition. to prevent obama from pushing his communist agenda.
A Republican whitehouse had already nationalized a large chunk of the banking sector before Obama took the oath. I'm uneasy about the dems having a filibuster proof majority, but I don't believe for a moment that most of them offer much of an alternative.

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im not sure where it became so evident that the GOP is too far right and the dems are centrist. i see it differently. i see the dems as being a bunch of wackjob commies and the republicans representing the mainstread working american. obama got his votes from racists, unemployed, illegal immigrants, dead people, scared seniors, and so forth. the dem constituency is a bunch of delinquents.
You're obviously biased, and if your
side thinks like this, they will lose many elections to come.

You win an election by assembling a winning coalition. You do this by cobbling together a bunch of interests that are at least not directly opposing each other. The Democrats and Republicans both have their core interest groups -- for the Democrats, it's womens groups, gay rights, immigration lobby, trade unions, lawyers, public sector employees and academia. For Republicans, it's (for example) the war industry, the gun lobby, big tobacco, the religious right, the AMA, and employer lobbies.

Neither side care a whole lot for the "mainstream working
American". For the most part, they know their friends are, and they go to bat for their team.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I would like an explanation why so many republicans are convinced that Obama is pushing such "socialist" or (now I've heard it all) "communist" agendas as President of the United States and that the GOP is honestly doing something fundamental for this country's mainstream working class American. I am not even a full out Obama fan boy or even a Democrat (more of an Independent, I guess), but statements like these I can't help but have to read over several times just to see if I've read right. No I don't think Obama was voted in by "racists" or "dead people". If anything, it seems to me most hardcore Conservatives and extremists within the GOP are the racist ones.
If you really want to know why some people think he is a socialist here is why.

Obama has nationalized the car companies and given huge stock ownership to the unions. That is not the role of the government in a capitalist system. The remedy for the car company situation in capitalism is bankruptcy. You may say well he is putting Chrysler into bankruptcy. But he isn't, the bond holders are because they would not agree to his terms. And he also still has ownership as do the unions.

He has socialized the banks. The governement is a mojority shareholder in BOA and Citi. The government will not allow companies who want to, to pay back tarp so they no longer habve to comply with government demands.

He wants to socialize healthcare.

When he has had an opportunity to chose between capitalist remedies for economic problems and socialist remedies, he has chosen socialism.

Now you ask what Republicans are doing for working people. It was George Bush that started Medicare part D which is universal medication coverage for seniors. Also the bottom 50% of all wage earners in the US pay no income tax. What more would you like?

Keep in mind that when the government "gives" you something, they take something from you, freedom. Also there is nothing free in this life when the government gives something "free" somebody is paying for it through taxes. All this stuff Obama wants to give is really a transfer of wealth from those who have it to those who don't. That is socialism.

People who cry racism clearly have no clue. Thankfully it is a fringe minority.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I would like an explanation why so many republicans are convinced that Obama is pushing such "socialist" or (now I've heard it all) "communist" agendas as President of the United States and that the GOP is honestly doing something fundamental for this country's mainstream working class American. I am not even a full out Obama fan boy or even a Democrat (more of an Independent, I guess), but statements like these I can't help but have to read over several times just to see if I've read right. No I don't think Obama was voted in by "racists" or "dead people". If anything, it seems to me most hardcore Conservatives and extremists within the GOP are the racist ones.
im sure it seems that way to you because thats how you want to see it. obama received more votes simply because of his race than he lost. he was supported by racists.

communist stuff is the government taking over the financial sector, socialized healthcare, increased spending on Americorps, more government regulation, increase taxes on the "wealthy," etc. hes a commie.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:38 AM
 
Location: NJ
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A Republican whitehouse had already nationalized a large chunk of the banking sector before Obama took the oath. I'm uneasy about the dems having a filibuster proof majority, but I don't believe for a moment that most of them offer much of an alternative.

Neither side care a whole lot for the "mainstream working
American". For the most part, they know their friends are, and they go to bat for their team.
1. george bush was a liberal to me. in order to be a conservative you have to cut spending. i dont defend GWB and i dont defend Mccain's presidency (Mccain was also pure evil).

2. politicians are all corrupt. the best politicians are ones that can accomplish nothing. with democrats and republicans taking their time opposing each other, hopefully they will both leave us alone.

why the republicans should be supported by the "mainstream working american" is because republicans are supposed to be for lower taxes and smaller government. people are supposed to want to see less taxes coming out of their paycheck.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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1. george bush was a liberal to me. in order to be a conservative you have to cut spending. i dont defend GWB and i dont defend Mccain's presidency (Mccain was also pure evil).

2. politicians are all corrupt. the best politicians are ones that can accomplish nothing. with democrats and republicans taking their time opposing each other, hopefully they will both leave us alone.

why the republicans should be supported by the "mainstream working american" is because republicans are supposed to be for lower taxes and smaller government. people are supposed to want to see less taxes coming out of their paycheck.
I get the lower taxes part, but how many Republicans are for smaller government ? Ron Paul ... and who else ? Or to put it another way, when was the last time a Republican president reduced "the size of government" ?

What good are lower taxes if they aren't backed by reduced spending ? If the government spends, it has to come from somewhere.
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Old 05-02-2009, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I get the lower taxes part, but how many Republicans are for smaller government ? Ron Paul ... and who else ? Or to put it another way, when was the last time a Republican president reduced "the size of government" ?

What good are lower taxes if they aren't backed by reduced spending ? If the government spends, it has to come from somewhere.
yes, this is why i call bush a liberal. to me, a liberal is someone who thinks he knows how to spend your money better than you do. a conservative thinks you should make that decision. bush didnt want to spend exactly as the liberals did (though he did some with the medicare prescription drug benefit) but he had his other crap he wanted to waste my hard earned money on. i am not satisfied at all with the republican party. i absolutely despise jon mccain. i love ron paul, but he never had a chance. i voted for romney in the primary, still far from perfect.
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Old 05-02-2009, 06:40 AM
 
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I get the lower taxes part, but how many Republicans are for smaller government ? Ron Paul ... and who else ? Or to put it another way, when was the last time a Republican president reduced "the size of government" ?

What good are lower taxes if they aren't backed by reduced spending ? If the government spends, it has to come from somewhere.
Precisely why Republicans are actually more evil than Democrats. Democrats are at least honest. They want all your money and tell you up front. Republicans claim to stand for small government and individual rights. But then they do the opposite anytime they are in power.

Republicans and Democrats are indistinguishable except for hypocrisy and jingoism. There, the Republicans excel magnificently.

-Marc
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