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Old 02-15-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Randolph, NJ
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HalfFull, I am just stating a trend I have observed growing up in New Jersey. I am not implying that Republicans are racist and Democrats are not, in fact I have seen just the opposite be true in some places. But as far as suburban New Jersey goes, the more diversity-welcoming places tend to vote more Democratic. I'm not making a blanket statement about individuals, but can you name a location in New Jersey that actively welcomes diversity that also regularly votes Republican?
It seems to be exactly what you are implying in a very simplistic generalization. People and towns can't be so easily categorized just based on whether the town gave Obama 55% of the vote or 45%.
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Old 02-15-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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It seems to be exactly what you are implying in a very simplistic generalization. People and towns can't be so easily categorized just based on whether the town gave Obama 55% of the vote or 45%.
Halffull, I understand where you are coming from and understand how i may have been misunderstood. I apologize for being less explicit. Thank you for calling me out. I am thinking more of the comparison between the 70% Obama towns and the 70% McCain towns. Those less polarized can go either way I think. In all honesty Mountain Lakes is not a place I would advise a family of color to move to. I have heard stories of real estate agents steering black families away from Mountain Lakes. Likewise, I would without a doubt recommend Maplewood or Montclair to a minority family if they can afford it, and have 100% confidence that they would feel accepted. I am talking more about the extremes. Most towns fall somewhere in between.
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:37 PM
 
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Honestly, as a well-educated minority from the south in a doctoral program at Rutgers, I can confirm that there is significant racism in New Jersey--and that the towns recommended in the above posting in Essex County and perhaps Union are the best recommendations. I would also avoid Bergen County, with the exception of Teaneck and parts of Hackensack and Englewood. I have beautiful children, and a multi-racial family, and have been overtly discriminated against by employees of major businesses, even in Essex County where there are many well-educated, upper-middle class and higher African Americans and others. When I experienced the problems in Essex County, at least the management at the companies I wrote acknowledged the existence of problems stemming from the environment, and offered sincere apologies.
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From a social stratification and psychological perspective, many non-minorities do not acknowledge the existence of discrimination or racism, even when it is present simply because they do not experience it. They are not racist, just not the victims of maltreatment and have a hard time believing it exists when those of us who experience it everyday affirm its existence.
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Stereotypes are fueled by the presence of "iconic ghettos" in places like Newark and East Orange, where high concentrations of minority poor live and spill over into the suburbs. They are the descendants of minorities fleeing the murderous racism of the South that existed without recourse all the way up to the 70s who have been unable to yet achieve the better lives their ancestors sought because the same structural biases existed, unfortunately, in the North, that existed in the South they fleed.
No they're not. That's an worn out excuse.

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Thus, even though statistically speaking there are double the number of poor whites on Welfare in America than blacks (please see current Census Bureau data), the high concentrations of black poor in large cities allows people to make comments like the one above: "It's very interesting how intristically linked the crime/poverty debate and the race issue actually are."
What are you getting your doctorate in? Apparently NOT statistics.

Blacks = 12.9% of the population, 37.2% of that population is on welfare.

Caucasions(from the land of Caucasia)/Whites = 77.1% of the population. 38.8% of that population is on welfare.

Do the math.


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It's actually not that surprising that the two are linked because they are forever related in our societal caste system, which by the way, will have to change over the next 20 years as whites will no longer be the largest race group in America.
Who will be? Illegal aliens?

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I have always wondered why non-racist whites simply do not help their racist brothers and sisters overcome their issues, much in the way that most educated and well-off blacks try to help the physical and psychological state of their more in need fellow-minorities.
Huh? How about because non-racist whites don't have gaggles of gang members in their family trees or it's not some in-bred idea that getting knocked up at 15 and having 5 kids by 5 baby daddies at the age of 25 is something accepted, culturally, and then blame gets put on everyone else but them?

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The rise of racism on the right clearly shows us that problems still exist in America. Why not just all work together so that other emergent economies, like Japan, China, India, and the EU, do not spank us in the global economy? Why not work for all of the Latino, black, and white poor to all become well-educated so our PISA scores (international education scores) are superior to theirs? Mind you, I've analyzed the data and ALL American students white, black, Latino perform worse than their International counterparts.
The rise on the right? How about the rise of excuses and blame by the left?

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It's kind of like a marriage--if your spouse says something you do is hurting them either subtly or directly, if you care for their well-being, you'll acknowledge their complaint and try to improve--not just wish or ignore it away. We are all Americans and are in this together. Prayerfully, we'll get this race issue right before our America fails irrecoverably.
This is not socialist [insert country]. You're on your own. Get over it and stop living in the past and using it as some "poor me" excuse.

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In the meantime, if you are a minority, you will want to avoid certain places in NJ because you will feel unwelcome and your precious children may have difficulty in the school system because of labeling, resentment based on white flight, etc. I have found, though, that the higher income areas where there are younger people in this category are more receptive than working class areas with older residents.
How would you "do" bringing inter-racial children into a deep southern/all black community? They'd be all good with it?

You know better than that.

Don't try to fix others when your own camp has many holes in their own tents.

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Old 02-27-2011, 01:02 PM
 
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That might be part of it. And the ridiculous concept of dissing can be traced to white people in the south sticking up for their offended sensibilities 150 years ago. But in 2011 they don't settle slights, real or perceived, with a modern "duel" like A.A. men do. It also doesn't make sense to be shooting each other over sneakers and gold chains, but what do I know?
That's true. Sneakers and gold chains are absolutely crazy to shoot each other over. Honestly, though, instances like these are few and far between. Most of the violent incidents in the inner city (remember they are perpetuated by only a few of the people in this huge community while the whole community gets labeled) are strategically related to competition for the drug market.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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How were you offended? Were you looking to be offended?



And if you are looking for something, you will find it.



No they're not. That's an worn out excuse.



What are you getting your doctorate in? Apparently NOT statistics.

Blacks = 12.9% of the population, 37.2% of that population is on welfare.

Caucasions(from the land of Caucasia)/Whites = 77.1% of the population. 38.8% of that population is on welfare.

Do the math.




Who will be? Illegal aliens?



Huh? How about because non-racist whites don't have gaggles of gang members in their family trees or it's not some in-bred idea that getting knocked up at 15 and having 5 kids by 5 baby daddies at the age of 25 is something accepted, culturally, and then blame gets put on everyone else but them?



The rise on the right? How about the rise of excuses and blame by the left?



This is not socialist [insert country]. You're on your own. Get over it and stop living in the past and using it as some "poor me" excuse.



How would you "do" bringing inter-racial children into a deep southern/all black community? They'd be all good with it?

You know better than that.

Don't try to fix others when your own camp has many holes in their own tents.
I am the mother of 2 bi-racial children and the step mother of 2 others (half white and half black). So, I actually know. As for your comment earlier, where you obtain your data makes the difference. If you look at Census Bureau Data and then compare it with Social Security standards on poverty levels, then the data I referenced earlier applies. Most other sources are unreliable (even though the government sites I quoted are probably not 100% either). Even if you went with your data, though I'm certain it's inaccurate, that still means that the majority of a people who were disenfranchised and wholly in poverty (nearly 100%) just 30 short years ago because of racism, slavery, legalized lynch mobs and inhumanity that would not be tolerated by the UN today, have made great strides. Thank God.

Also, I have no race camp. I'm in the American camp. If we have extremists who only want to help members of the increasingly decreasing majority race and seem to primarily only want to feel superior to others (when in actuality, character is the best determination of superiority and a demonstration of it would be kindness and concern for all), then we will all suffer in just a few short years. Poor people period in this nation (still-most of whom are white) will not be able to compete in the global economy with all of our jobs outsourced over seas and no willingness by ALL AMERICANS to invest in each other for new sources of innovation. You don't have to agree and it seems you probably won't. But, this is just food for thought.
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Old 02-27-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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It seems to be exactly what you are implying in a very simplistic generalization. People and towns can't be so easily categorized just based on whether the town gave Obama 55% of the vote or 45%.
That's probably true. I guess without going there and studying the town, though, it serves as a pretty good (though not scientific) indicator.
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Old 02-27-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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Racism is everwhere, however I would rather live in a town where white is predominant over other towns that are more diverse and less desirable to lightly put it.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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I agree. Racism is everywhere. Though, not only white against balck kind of racism.... Therefore, rather then concentrating on color, concentrate on quality.... Woodbridge - nah. Iselin -- nah. expecially not with this budget. I think you can do better.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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Hi All,

My husband and I are ready to try living out of the city... We have a 6 yr old and an 8 yr old. My concerns are that a) I have never lived outside of Manhattan b) we are a bi-racial couple (I am half-black and half white-somewhat dark skinned) My husband is Italian and my daughter has blue eyes and reddish brown hair but my son is darker and favors my side of the family) we want some where they will not feel out of place and c) goods schools -my son has some learning disabilities. My husband works in Jersey City and I work in midtown. We are looking to spend 1700-2100 on a three-bedroom rental in a good neighborhood. Allot of people are saying Montclair. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Citygirl1275
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West Orange would be cheaper and give you the same (or comparable) diversity.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:45 PM
 
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How were you offended? Were you looking to be offended?



And if you are looking for something, you will find it.



No they're not. That's an worn out excuse.



What are you getting your doctorate in? Apparently NOT statistics.

Blacks = 12.9% of the population, 37.2% of that population is on welfare.

Caucasions(from the land of Caucasia)/Whites = 77.1% of the population. 38.8% of that population is on welfare.

Do the math.




Who will be? Illegal aliens?



Huh? How about because non-racist whites don't have gaggles of gang members in their family trees or it's not some in-bred idea that getting knocked up at 15 and having 5 kids by 5 baby daddies at the age of 25 is something accepted, culturally, and then blame gets put on everyone else but them?



The rise on the right? How about the rise of excuses and blame by the left?



This is not socialist [insert country]. You're on your own. Get over it and stop living in the past and using it as some "poor me" excuse.



How would you "do" bringing inter-racial children into a deep southern/all black community? They'd be all good with it?

You know better than that.

Don't try to fix others when your own camp has many holes in their own
tents.
Here is a direct link to actual and current stats for you that shows, based on 2009 Census Bureau collected data, that only 25.1% and no more of all blacks in the U.S. are in poverty. United States - Poverty Status in the Past 12 Months

The inaccurate data you keep referencing (40%?) stems from what sociologists call "legitimizing myths," false concepts that groups of people tend to use to justify their own psychological or power-based advantage. Even when there is no legitimacy to their claims and all actual data demonstrates the deficiency of their myths, they hold on to them dearly. If it makes you feel any better, if my numbers (and the Census Bureau's) are right, then all of the millions of tax dollars you feel as if have been invested in blacks over the last short 35 years have largely paid off. I know you don't think so, but black and white Americans of the same economic class in the 21st century have a lot more in common than different. We will all be served better if we realize this and pull together--without being forced to do so by outside disasters or unifying events.
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