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Yes, but the question is, because of who? In every other job including healthcare where people save lives, there is no tenure. Contrary to popular misconception, even college professors are tenured only for the teaching part of their job. They still have to write grants and get peer reviewed to conduct research. So why should an incompetent elementary teacher get tenured? Many of them even misuse their powers while a young hardworking teacher gets fired due to budget cuts!
Students make schools good, not teachers. That is what is reflected in NJ Monthly school rankings.
Absolutely right. There might be a handful of teachers who encourage such students but in the current system there is no way to identify such teachers.
Absolutely right. There might be a handful of teachers who encourage such students but in the current system there is no way to identify such teachers.
I'm pretty sure teachers are evaluated annually, even with tenure.
NJ teachers are by and large much better educated than those in other states and the pupil scores reflect this. Put our kids in Mississippi at age 5 and see what they accomplish in 12 years.
I'm pretty sure teachers are evaluated annually, even with tenure.
NJ teachers are by and large much better educated than those in other states and the pupil scores reflect this. Put our kids in Mississippi at age 5 and see what they accomplish in 12 years.
Really! Have you seen the movie waiting for superman! There is very little you can do to a tenured teacher unless they are proven to be ( not suspected) pedophiles.
Students make schools good, not teachers. That is what is reflected in NJ Monthly school rankings.
NJ Monthly school rankings reflect the amount of tutoring students get outside of the school to perform in the school... your statement is true only if you consider students in those districts as a function of tutoring received... without tutors these students would be average at most (if you doubt that look at these students' achievement levels in the first two grades, before the accumulated continuous tutoring kicks in)...
I agree, teachers don't make any difference in quality of education in affluent towns... a teacher who needs to be sent for constant training to remain up to date is a joke... a person who is supposed to teach kids how to acquire knowledge on their own doesn't have this crucial skill himself, needs training like a low-skilled labor...(((
NJ Monthly school rankings reflect the amount of tutoring students get outside of the school to perform in the school... your statement is true only if you consider students in those districts as a function of tutoring received... without tutors these students would be average at most (if you doubt that look at these students' achievement levels in the first two grades, before the accumulated continuous tutoring kicks in)...
I agree, teachers don't make any difference in quality of education in affluent towns... a teacher who needs to be sent for constant training to remain up to date is a joke... a person who is supposed to teach kids how to acquire knowledge on their own doesn't have this crucial skill himself, needs training like a low-skilled labor...(((
The issue is not whether the students in affluent towns are naturally gifted or not. The issue is who should take credit for their success. If children are predominantly being coached by parents and outside agencies and the school teachers not only not train the students but sometimes even make arbitrary decisions and use outdated statistics for team selections and then in the end when the kid actually goes out there and wins - lone behold (!) it is all because of the enriched school district. Starting from music to sports to academics the kids at the top are doing it on their own - not because of the school district. In so many instances you see that when the student moves the success moves with them too indicating the school played no role in it.
The way I see it, the teachers' union takes credit when they are working in a high-performing school district. Then, when they are working in a low-performing district, all we hear about is that its the parents' fault, poverty, etc.
In reality, like most fields, most teachers are doing fine, some are great, and some really stink. But at the end of the day, the results or lack of them are linked to socioeconomic status of the families and teachers matter less than we think.
The way I see it, the teachers' union takes credit when they are working in a high-performing school district. Then, when they are working in a low-performing district, all we hear about is that its the parents' fault, poverty, etc.
In reality, like most fields, most teachers are doing fine, some are great, and some really stink. But at the end of the day, the results or lack of them are linked to socioeconomic status of the families and teachers matter less than we think.
The teachers and the administration depend on the selective bias in affluent school districts and then take credit for the student's success. I don't understand why parents are not questioning this. Or is it fear that there will be retribution since the teachers still have the power in giving recommendations, team selections etc..
The teachers and the administration depend on the selective bias in affluent school districts and then take credit for the student's success. I don't understand why parents are not questioning this. Or is it fear that there will be retribution since the teachers still have the power in giving recommendations, team selections etc..
I agree. NJ parents are motivated by fear when it comes to their public schools.
I agree. NJ parents are motivated by fear when it comes to their public schools.
Exactly how do you mean? Fear of what?
A school's good reputation is a mere reflection of student achievement, not vice versa.
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