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Old 10-03-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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"The Town of Taos Council were also present to hear the comments of the more than 260 people to make amendments to a resolution opposing the training, which was adopted unanimously at the conclusion of the three-hour meeting."[1]


My apologies if this issue is discussed elsewhere, but I didn't see it mentioned.

The US Air Force wants to use the Rio Grande Valley of northern New Mexico, likely southern Colorado as well, as training ground for low-level flights. The aircraft in question is the CI-30 Osprey (with huge propellers), which would fly out of Cannon Air Force Base, doing tactical flyovers primarily on weekdays, three times a night, at 200 feet.

While these training flights are said intended to avoid towns and wilderness, they obviously will have a significant impact on the quality of life in Taos and surrounding areas. Moderator cut: Please, no political bashing in this forum. It might be noted that while the Air Force cites national security and a need to train as reasons, Moderator cut: Please, no political bashing in this forum. Or that somehow no one from Cannon Air Force Base was 'available' to attend this important pubic meeting.

Moreover, a quick look a the map will reveal that a fair portion of New Mexico is already retained by the military for their sole use, and exactly such things. Or that this type of activity occurs in other more suitable military reservations in this nation. If not the sole purpose, the better part of southern Nevada is one big military reservation. Also that Fallon, NV, less than an hour east of Carson City, NV, has a large Naval Air Station. Not far east of that town, on highway US 50, there are signs warning of low flying aircraft. Anyone having been there will know there is little to no one to disturb in that desolate valley.

Moderator cut: Please, no political bashing in this forum. Please, keep it local to New Mexico.
1) 'Hundreds attend Taos forum to discuss proposed Air Force training flights; Cannon extends comment period,' The Taos News
> Archives > News > Hundreds attend Taos forum to discuss proposed Air Force training flights; Cannon extends comment period

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Old 10-03-2010, 09:51 PM
 
Location: SWUS
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Tough cookies, if the gov't owns most of that land they'll do what they want.. and unless Taos has a deed to the air above it I doubt they'll make any real impact.
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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The Osprey's are amazing aircraft, I love seeing them in the skies above Albuquerque. To bad they are doing night flights you won't get a good view of them.

Not sure where they got the CI-30 designation from, if it is an Osprey it is going to be a V-22 and the air force variant we have in NM is the CV-22.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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That's probably supposed to be C-130...
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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The US Air Force wants to use the Rio Grande Valley of northern New Mexico, likely southern Colorado as well, as training ground for low-level flights. The aircraft in question is the CI-30 Osprey (with huge propellers), which would fly out of Cannon Air Force Base, doing tactical flyovers primarily on weekdays, three times a night, at 200 feet.
Air crews would be flying the Lockheed C-130 Hercules and the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey. (From reference: http://www.cannon.af.mil/shared/medi...100820-041.pdf )


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Or that somehow no one from Cannon Air Force Base was 'available' to attend this important pubic meeting.
Your own reference states "While no officials from Cannon were able to attend the meeting, Taos Mayor Darren Córdova opened the forum by reporting that base commander Col. Stephen Clark officially extended the public comment period to Nov. 15." and "Officials from Cannon reportedly plan to attend the next Peaceful Skies Coalition meeting, scheduled for Oct. 11 at 6:30 p.m. in the Kit Carson Board Room on Cruz Alta Road."







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Old 10-05-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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The Ospreys were pretty loud doing low flying over Edgewood. I would not want that regularly. And I am used to hearing planes and helos (I have lived on bases) and I have to say the Ospreys are very very loud when they fly low. I would not want any regular flight paths for the Ospreys over my neighborhood. We got lots of helos when I lived in Edgewood and they were just fine, no problem with them. I can sympathize with anyone who wants to avoid any regular flights of Ospreys near their home.
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:11 AM
 
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While it may be inconvenient to some, constant training keeps these crews alert and proficient.
A lack of proper training, will get these men and women KILLED.....along with anyone on the ground unlucky enough, to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time!
I grew up at the end of a runway, you DO get used to it.

Steve
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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While it may be inconvenient to some, constant training keeps these crews alert and proficient.
A lack of proper training, will get these men and women KILLED.....along with anyone on the ground unlucky enough, to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time!
I grew up at the end of a runway, you DO get used to it.

Steve
I agree. I used to live in (under?) the flight path of the Concorde - loved seeing (and hearing) it go over every Saturday morning.
We get the Navy, and now and then, the Air Force flying training exercises overhead here in LC. It doesn't happen that often and it is virtually the only air traffic that we ever get. I find it exciting and comforting at the same time, knowing that our service people are close by and perfecting their skills.
Small price to pay for our security.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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You mean they weren't getting the proper training before, without buzzing Taos and other populated areas? OMG.

I've been visited by Ospreys flying low over my house near KAFB. The whole house shakes and rattles. If you like that (and you don't have PTSD) then by all means, go live closer to the noise.

I absolutely want our service people to perfect their skills, just not over people's houses. The state is mostly empty space so there's no need to fly low right over densely populated areas.

I'll quote a friend of mine who is a veteran: "Saying jet noise is the sound of freedom is like saying jet fuel seeping into your water supply is the taste of freedom."
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:30 AM
 
Location: cemetary
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Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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