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Old 04-09-2019, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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The video shows a kid easily climbing to the top of the border wall. He couldn't get over the last bit without a rope, but that's all that would be needed. So how is that supposed to keep anyone out?
In the words of Former Mexican President Vicente Fox, "You're going to build a $25 billion wall, that can be defeated by a $25 ladder?"

 
Old 04-09-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Abu Al-Qurq
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I don't know if it could keep anyone out, but I have a remedy that could keep everyone out. We have 35 military bases that are active from the post World War II era. Most of those bases can be shuttered. The president then re-deploys those troops to the southern border with shoot to kill orders. Once the word gets out the flow of human and drug trafficking will slow to a trickle. Put 4600 volts of electricity into that fence to fortify it further. Where there's a will there's a way. These people are invaders. They need to be squashed.
A few observations:

Most people in the country illegally came in on a plane, boat, or through a port of entry. Thus, while a wall might in theory help with some problems, it will not "keep everyone out".

Most U.S. soldiers will not obey orders to gun down a mother with her two kids, no matter her nationality or status. How easy so many of us overlook why we were the good guys in WWII. It wasn't because we won. It was because we kept inhuman monsters from giving and taking orders to massacre unarmed civilians.

Human and drug trafficking does not depend on a porous desert border. El Chapo could have told you that: he used boats, planes, and ports.

An electrified fence might be arousing to people who've never worked with them, but they're easy to short out with equipment that costs less than $1.

America is actually turning the tide in the drug war by reducing demand for imports. If we did more to further reduce demand for imported drugs and produce our own domestic superior alternatives, there'd be even less need for a wall.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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America is actually turning the tide in the drug war by reducing demand for imports. If we did more to further reduce demand for imported drugs and produce our own domestic superior alternatives, there'd be even less need for a wall.


It's really sad what our drug war as done to support the proliferation of cartels and organized crime in Mexico, and how many people have suffered because of it. Any time you make something that people want illegal, then criminal organizations will fill the void... and take over as the defacto law in many places.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Originally Posted by Cloudy Dayz View Post
In the words of Former Mexican President Vicente Fox, "You're going to build a $25 billion wall, that can be defeated by a $25 ladder?"
Exactly. And for most people a simple rope would be enough. It isn't even going to slow anyone down.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:52 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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Armed DoD personnel with shoot to kill orders combined with a wall would defeat anyone foolish enough to try to penetrate our southern border. Coast guard can be deployed to prevent passage through water. If there is a build up in force along the southern border to reinforce the idea that invaders will be dealt with, that presence will deter most of this invasion. We will lose this country as it is currently constituted otherwise. We are a nation of laws, and the rule of law must be upheld.
 
Old 04-10-2019, 05:52 AM
 
Location: In an indoor space
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I don't know if it could keep anyone out, but I have a remedy that could keep everyone out. We have 35 military bases that are active from the post World War II era. Most of those bases can be shuttered. The president then re-deploys those troops to the southern border with shoot to kill orders. Once the word gets out the flow of human and drug trafficking will slow to a trickle. Put 4600 volts of electricity into that fence to fortify it further. Where there's a will there's a way. These people are invaders. They need to be squashed.

I agree, but I could just hear the dem outrage to such a thought.
 
Old 04-10-2019, 09:38 AM
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Location: On the Border
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Dem outrage? I would hope that could be classified as decent person outrage. Shoot to kill poor people just looking for a better life. You guys are just peachy!

When I lived in Jersey I was bitter and angry too. All those damn people, legal or not, ruin the place. I got the hell out of that cesspool. Come out here for a vacation (and see the border how it really is in the process instead of the nightmarish fiction you've been told to believe) @atgss and you can chill out some too. Get a more positive outlook on life and learn not to be so scared of everything.
 
Old 04-10-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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Dem outrage? I would hope that could be classified as decent person outrage. Shoot to kill poor people just looking for a better life. You guys are just peachy!

It would be one thing if it was only "poor people just looking for a better life." But it isn't.


https://www.theatlantic.com/national...t-time/384155/


https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...sing-us-border


https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...pen-us-border/


https://dmlnews.com/video-texas-bord...ons-countries/


https://nypost.com/2019/04/09/immigr...trol-official/


I tried to give a variety of sources because I know the answer will be "that's fake news." And not all of those are through the border, but most are. That's why one or two say 75 countries and others say 50. I don't care if it's 3 If they're from hostile countries and they're sneaking in, they're invaders whether you like to call them that or not.
 
Old 04-10-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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It would be one thing if it was only "poor people just looking for a better life." But it isn't.


https://www.theatlantic.com/national...t-time/384155/


https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...sing-us-border


https://www.breitbart.com/border/201...pen-us-border/


https://dmlnews.com/video-texas-bord...ons-countries/


https://nypost.com/2019/04/09/immigr...trol-official/


I tried to give a variety of sources because I know the answer will be "that's fake news." And not all of those are through the border, but most are. That's why one or two say 75 countries and others say 50. I don't care if it's 3 If they're from hostile countries and they're sneaking in, they're invaders whether you like to call them that or not.
Then you post five lengthy articles which don't really prove your point......
 
Old 04-10-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Then you post five lengthy articles which don't really prove your point......
I was just going to say the same thing!

But I did find this in the 1st article he linked, showing a massive reduction in illegal crossings:



And this:

"However, there's at least one group that will downplay the decrease of Mexican apprehensions in preference for focusing on the increase of non-Mexican apprehensions: defense contractors. Last year, as Pentagon budgets decreased and two wars drew down, military contractors began the long process of preparing proposals for billions of dollars in new contracts from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Border Patrol and other agencies to retrofit their war machines for monitoring the border.

"There are only so many missile systems and Apache attack helicopters you can sell," Dennis Hoffman, an Arizona State University economics professor who has studied markets for the defense industry, told The New York Times. "This push toward border security fits very well with the need to create an ongoing stream of revenue."
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