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Old 11-29-2010, 02:36 PM
Location: Houston(Screwston),TX
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What's your definiton of integration turbodiesel?
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:16 PM
Location: New Orleans
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I will repeat what I've said in earlier threads about this. I don't care where you are.. California, Utah, Arkansas, Vermont, anywhere... racism exists and is very real. We are a racist country. But anyone from anywhere can give you localized examples to prove why their little bastion of the world isn't racist. New Orleans has its issues but I feel as though it is one of the most TOLERANT places in the country, at least Down South anyway. We may have differences but certain things unite us in a way unseen in so called "progressive" and "integrated" places. Go to a rebirth brass band show and tell me if you've ever seen such a huge melting pot of races, ages, lifestyles and economic backgrounds. And since we are a minority-majority city, be sure you flip both sides of the coin before you try to analyze prejudice or racism here. As for the Northshore, I can't say too much, it's very very conservative but that doesn't necessarily equate to anything else.
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Old 11-29-2010, 08:36 PM
Location: New Orleans, United States
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Originally Posted by Redlionjr View Post
while Houston still has pockets of segregation. No New Orleans segregation is obvious and plain and sight. It's awholeeeeee different scale when you compare the two. Matter fact, I can say the only time I saw any real integration in New Orleans was in the French Quarter and that's because people are sight seeing,eating,shopping, etc. And more then half of the people in FQ are tourist anyway. I have family in the N.O. so when I do happen to go into real neigborhoods in the city I don't see any real sense of integration. In Houston yes you will have your older sections of towns be pred. Black or Hispanic. And some of your high income areas. pred. White. But to see segregation on the level of New Orleans you have to go out to the outerskirts past the burbs and sub-divisions to catch a true glimpse of segregation. It's pretty common to see White,Black,Indian,Korean,Viet,Nigerian,Ethopian,M exican, on one street, block in Houston. And i'm not bragging because I love New Orleans. I feel as though it is honest about it's segregation. While Houston can be heavy integregated(which probably is more so do to no zoning then a utopia)Houston tends to put up this facade is if it is some kind of race mixing utopia when that's far from the truth. Pepople of different backgrounds just live by each other because they can afford the housing
I disagree. Houston is almost like a 2nd home to me and New Orleans feels much more in integrated unless you're in The East or certain parts of Metairie. In Houston I mostly see Whites and Mexicans unless I'm in a predominately black area. Blacks are more visible in certain parts and I do usually see West Africans and Asians scattered around. New Orleans on the other hand you'll find whites and blacks of various social levels living right under or beside each other and the Hispanics are usually everything but Mexican. West Africans, West Indians are scattered around the Eastbank. Various Hispanic and South American groups are scattered throught the suburbs. Just take a trip in one of the suburban Eastbank Wal-Marts and take a look around. Let's not even go into the race/tolerance relations between the two.
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:31 PM
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As a black person born and raised in nola, I agree it is pretty segregated, I'm born and raised in N.O. East and Gentilly, Uptown is predominately White and the neighborhoods that you're speaking about that house blacks literally blocks away almost never coincide. Meaning they never actually interact with each other.

Also, if you walk into a long existing white establishment, usually you get some snide looks and you could feel a certain level of tension unless you're with a locally known black person. It has happened to me on a few occasions, not many, but nonetheless, it's a very uncomfortable feeling. As for the rebirth brass band remark, come on it's rebirth, whites never really were apart of that whole street brass band thing up until a few years ago, growing up I always thought it was a black thing. Brass bands sometimes perform at venues where whites frequent though.

I wouldn't say racism is holding New Orleans back though, New Orleans is on an "up and up" actually. I think the only thing holding it back is the State (Louisiana) and the old way of thinking, however, innovative and creative folks are slowing beginning to show their faces.

Last edited by calmdown504; 12-12-2010 at 10:38 PM.. Reason: grammar
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mnr3 View Post
this is a trolling post if ever there were one. it assumes NO is not advancing while others do; that Houston, Dallas, etc have integration of races. Please.

it's precisely b/c nola has more interaction of races that race is an everyday reality, and not the suburban/urban dichotomy of most metro areas (though we have that of course as well)

not even worthy of discussion and a clear incitement for racist bs
Why is that a "trolling" question? It's a simple, valid question. Nothing trolling about it.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:52 AM
Location: Southwest Louisiana
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not necessarily. In other cities there is not much integration in neighborhoods either. Houston may have a bit more of it in the city, but go to suburban areas, not quite the same. I think it's more b/c ppl in general are more comfortable w/ living around ppl of a similar background.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:03 AM
Location: Alexandria, VA - Kingstowne Subdivision
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Default My thoughts on racism in New Orleans.

I think Pandorafan5687 hit the nail on the head. People are more comfortable living around people who look like them and have similar backgrounds. I don't think people are trying to be racist. It happens because we gravitate towards individuals who are similar. Growing up in New Orleans as a Brown Skinned American the only time I interacted with any race (not just white) was at a music festival or playing tennis or golf. No other race lived in my neighborhood (lower 9th ward). Other races made up a small percentage of individuals at my high school (90%+ were African American). Other race made up a super small percentage of the individuals that attended the same church (we had 1 white male [in my opinion didn't count because he was tainted because he married a African American] and no other races).

We are a product of our environment. My parents kept me a away from white people the same way white people keep their children away from black people. It's uncomfortable to be different. It's easy to keep things the same. It's uncomfortable breaking down a barrier. It's easy letting things remain the same. I remembered my grandmother telling me that she felt it was wrong to integrate the public school. She thought that we were doing fine segregated. Her problem wasn't with white people but with change.

I think the biggest thing holding us back as a nation is our classification of the different races. We should drop what type of American we are and just go by American. That way we take racism out of the equation. That way you really don't dislike someone race because we are all the same race.

Just my opinion.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:59 AM
Location: New Orleans, United States
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I agree that seperation exists (as it exists everywhere), but compared to other cities the seperation in N.O. is nothing. Those arguing that New Orleans has this huge racial problem and so on are usually either using it for political gain or has never left the city. Of course there is racism here, but take a 45 minute drive in either direction and spend some time. Trust me the general perception of places like Harahan, Westwego, and Chalmette will change even if not by much. New Orleans wouldn't even fall into the same category.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Creativeguy504 View Post
Why is that a "trolling" question? It's a simple, valid question. Nothing trolling about it.
I stand by my first response. Only glad to see that the discussion has remained reasonable. But if you think the phrasing of the original question was simple, valid, and not worthy of troll status, well... you are certainly welcome to that opinion, but it doesn't take much critical thinking to see through it as none of the above.. in my opinion.
(and just to keep things light while illustrating the flawed rhetoric of the opening question)-- you may as well ask if too much cheese is why Chicago pizza is not good as New York's (duck now!--at least we're not on a chicago or nyc forum! cheers y'all)
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Old 12-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Location: New Orleans, United States
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